I have fancied owning one from this hoard for a while so decided to bite the bullet today! 
It makes a nice addition to my SS ID tag collection
Nick
It makes a nice addition to my SS ID tag collection
Nick
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I never saw these before and was hesitant. So they are from a known horde?
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Not a hoard as such Erik but a find
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I see! Thanks for the info Nick! Regards,
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sicherheitspolizei einsatz-kdo dog-tag
lovely images, thanks for sharing!
Just got mine and will shortly have it with me...Comment
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Nick, why doesn't this Erkennungsmarke (as well as all others shown) carry information normally found on Erekennungsmarken? Information like blood type and the full unit designation for the man supposedly issued this disc. You do realize that the term Einsatz-Kdo. is incorrect and totally useless for unit information. The term was Einsatzkommando and each was specifically numerated according to the Einsatzgruppe of which it was a part, whether it was one of the units in Poland or in the USSR after the start of Operation Barbarosa.Comment
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1) Not all tags carried the blood type information, not even issued.
2) The unit abbreviation is totally correct - nothing wrong with it.
Original tags - no question.
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Well we agree to disagree Timo. Are we to believe this particular Einsatzkdo. had a strength of over 14,000 men or was this disc the same as that issued to men of all the Einsatzgruppen? So there was no differentiation between the discs and a man could not be identified to any particular unit? So 14,000 was supposed to be the total of all the men of the Einsatzgruppen, or were there more? Were these the EG/EK in Poland or USSR?Comment
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The personal number on the tag does NOT equal the strength of the unit .The stammrollnummer sometimes started from 1, sometimes from 100, sometimes from 10000. Just search the forum and you will find more discussions of these Einsatzgruppen tags.
I believe the hoard in the pic was found in Latvia. Similar hoard was found in Slovenia. Similar single tags were also found from Poland. It's a good original tag.
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And, yes, these tags do not state the exact unit - just that the soldier is a member of Einsatzkommando. Just like the Gestapo id discs only had the personal number, not the exact Gestapo unit. It doesn't mean such more exact unit issued tags couldn't exist, but the only ones I have seen are of this type.
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Are these blank unissued disks then, needing a sub unit number adding when used? I mean prepared for use by the SP but unused?Comment
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Hi,
those EKM are NOT for Einsatzkommandos, but for Einsatz-Kommando units.
Totally different units, forget the over used myth of the Einsatzgruppen/Einsatzkommandos/Sonderkommandos (under the direct command of the RSHA), which were ad hoc units, almost like the US "Combat Command" units, which were including platoons from various units. Most of the members of the Einsatzgruppen kept the dog tag from their original unit/administration as it was the use.
Those EKM were maybe the ones of local Schutzmannschaften units, only archives and local studies may provide more infos on the case.
For example there was an Einsatz-Kommando III at least from April 1941 in occupied Alsace (at the time Gau Baden).
The unit had three subunits :
- Einsatz-Kommando III/1, located in Strasbourg
- Einsatz-Kommando III/2 (location still unknown, maybe Colmar ?)
- Einsatz-Kommando III/3, located in Mulhouse
Postcard of Einsatz-Kommando III/3 courtesy of Michael73.
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VinceLast edited by FrenchVolunteer; 12-06-2016, 04:12 PM.Comment
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Hi,
confirmation about the Einsatz-Kommando III unit in Alsace (at the time Gau Baden) :
- Einsatz-Kommando III/1, located in Strasbourg (Aussenkommando Strassburg)
- Einsatz-Kommando III/2 (location in Colmar (Aussenkommando Kolmar)
- Einsatz-Kommando III/3, located in Mulhouse (Aussenkommando Mülhausen)
File courtesy of my friend bachtrumpet.
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