the rarest heer swallowtail ???

[oldflagswanted]

Always wondered if IMO the rarest of all the
M35/36 swallowtail standards still existed.
The Lime Green of II./Sch.Rgt.1 (Schutzen).
The only one from a total of ~576 swallowtails.
OFW
(below-right) photo found online from Moscow CAFM.
Is this it? I'm CB, so is shown on right blue or green?

[billbert]

Transport...?? Billbert

[rkdek]

The pictured one is light blue for transport

[Bob Hritz]

I had the nebel swallowtail. I believe only 2 were ever dedicated.

Bob Hrit

[oldflagswanted]

how many fahnen und standarten ???

The pictured one is light blue for transport

rkdek & Billbert:
Thanks, I couldn't tell due to my shade CB.
OFW

I had the nebel swallowtail. I believe only 2 were ever dedicated.
Bob Hrit

Hello Bob:
I think you had the rarest known so far. IMO
M35/36 fahnen & standarten numbers are ...
[branch colors/waffenfarben] ......... [and the number of flags]:
930 total, swallowtail total = 576
Red = Artillery & Observation ------> 251 swallowtails
Pink = Panzer/Panzerabwehr-------> 115 swallowtails
Lemon Yellow = Signals -----------> 67 swallowtail standarten
White = Infantry ------------------> 59 swallowtails, 290 fahnen
Gold-Yellow = Cavalry -------------> 35 swallowtails
Black = Pionier --------------------> 32 swallowtails, 39 fahnen
Grass Green = Jager/Gebirgsjager --> 25 fahnen (~4'x4' size)
Copper Brown = Recon ---> (none) used pink or g-yel swallowtails
Light (Powder) Blue = Transport ---> 12 swallowtails
Boreaux (Wine) Red = Nebelwerfer -> 4 swallowtails
Lime Green = Schutzen (rarest) ----> 1 swallowtail (II./Sch.Rgt.1)
OFW

[afrikasandman]

I would love to see a pic of that lime green schutzen one! That would be to die for, need to find a nice repro of that one for my collection. Matt

[oldflagswanted]

where is the "real" one ???

I would love to see a pic of that lime green
schutzen one! That would be to die for...
Matt

Hello Matt:
I'm still looking for the one and only "real"
one, and don't even know if it survived WW2.
OFW
(below) Cold War era Moscow CAFM open rack display.

[mrec27777]

great pic OFW ......wonder how many of those have sprouted "legs" ,and are in private collections ???? EC

[oldflagswanted]

exercising their "legs" ???

great pic OFW ......wonder how many of those
have sprouted "legs", and are in private collections ????
EC

EC:
Seems some now get their "legs" exercised via
attendance at the militaria shows here and there.
OFW
(below) nice fahnen & standarten display at the SOS...

[afrikasandman]

Hello Matt:
I'm still looking for the one and only "real"
one, and don't even know if it survived WW2.
OFW
(below) Cold War era Moscow CAFM open rack display.

Sad to think maybe it didn't survive but god I would love to see a pic of one, or have a killer reproduction made to sit on my wall. Matt

[billbert]

I like to think it s still waiting to be found... Billbert

[mrec27777]

EC:
Seems some now get their "legs" exercised via
attendance at the militaria shows here and there.
OFW
(below) nice fahnen & standarten display at the SOS...

great pic ,OFW .. were they for sale?or display ?.i wonder..could that drink possibly be Stoli Elit on the rocks ?.......EC

[oldflagswanted]

available swallowtails ???

great pic ,OFW .. were they for sale? or display ?...
EC

EC:
They were all for sale back then, and are likely still
available today. For example I understand a yellow
swallowtail complete on the pole, can currently be
had for around $77,000.00
OFW
(below) ... Complete swallowtail for Nachrichten Abteilung 41 ...
"Complete Heer mounted swallowtail standard for Nachrichten Abteilung 41, complete,
uncut, unaltered, Heer mounted swallowtail standard for Nachrichten Abteilung 41,
lemon yellow single layer silk body having V-cut tail, with silver fringe along three sides,
black Iron Cross having silver borders has a center wreath hand worked in fine silver
wires, wreath contains Heer eagle grasping a swastika, all hand crafted in colored threads
and silver wire, each corner contains an additional black and silver swastika, the reverse
side is a mirror image of the front, included are the aluminum pole top, streamers with
plaques, streamer retention ring, battalion ring engraved Nachr. Abt. 41, plus the metallic
tape and nails used to secure the flag, the metallic tape, and the battalion ring, the pole
top and streamer retention ring have the original mounting screws, this example is still
originally mounted to its uncut accompanying horse mounted version of the pole which
utilizes special components to assist the rider in controlling the standard while riding,
components included are a 'U' shaped rail that forms a slide, a snap-link with a large
oval ring to which the 'Armelwulst' (literally 'sleeve bulge' or 'sausage') upper end was
secured, the snap link was free to slide up and down the pole, accommodating the rider
and horse's movements; a large, fixed, universal jointed buckle with dual claws through
which the lower end of the 'sausage' was fastened to the pole, all metal hardware is nickel
plated, the ensemble exhibits normal age and wear, there are two separations to the flag
silk, one of approximately 4cm by the unit ring and another 3.5cm next to the upper swastika
located nearest the pole, the separations are narrow and not particularly noticeable when the
flag is suspended vertically, there is a small portion of missing fringe 5cm in width on both
sides of the point at upper 'V', again, not particularly noticeable, very rare to find an originally
mounted standard with all original accoutrements and an uncut pole..."

[der bingle]

EC:
They were all for sale back then, and are likely still
available today. For example I understand a yellow
swallowtail complete on the pole, can currently be
had for around $77,000.00
OFW
(below) ... Complete swallowtail for Nachrichten Abteilung 41 ...
"Complete Heer mounted swallowtail standard for Nachrichten Abteilung 41, complete,
uncut, unaltered, Heer mounted swallowtail standard for Nachrichten Abteilung 41,
lemon yellow single layer silk body having V-cut tail, with silver fringe along three sides,
black Iron Cross having silver borders has a center wreath hand worked in fine silver
wires, wreath contains Heer eagle grasping a swastika, all hand crafted in colored threads
and silver wire, each corner contains an additional black and silver swastika, the reverse
side is a mirror image of the front, included are the aluminum pole top, streamers with
plaques, streamer retention ring, battalion ring engraved Nachr. Abt. 41, plus the metallic
tape and nails used to secure the flag, the metallic tape, and the battalion ring, the pole
top and streamer retention ring have the original mounting screws, this example is still
originally mounted to its uncut accompanying horse mounted version of the pole which
utilizes special components to assist the rider in controlling the standard while riding,
components included are a 'U' shaped rail that forms a slide, a snap-link with a large
oval ring to which the 'Armelwulst' (literally 'sleeve bulge' or 'sausage') upper end was
secured, the snap link was free to slide up and down the pole, accommodating the rider
and horse's movements; a large, fixed, universal jointed buckle with dual claws through
which the lower end of the 'sausage' was fastened to the pole, all metal hardware is nickel
plated, the ensemble exhibits normal age and wear, there are two separations to the flag
silk, one of approximately 4cm by the unit ring and another 3.5cm next to the upper swastika
located nearest the pole, the separations are narrow and not particularly noticeable when the
flag is suspended vertically, there is a small portion of missing fringe 5cm in width on both
sides of the point at upper 'V', again, not particularly noticeable, very rare to find an originally
mounted standard with all original accoutrements and an uncut pole..."

A MASTERPIECE! thanks for posting......In 1965 iwas offered a complete DE standard for $200. from a Midwest collector that had fantastic things for sale, and this was the most expensive. I was 17 and could not afford it .

[pauke]

only one

Here's a little appetite-whetting story whose details are fuzzy. In the 1970s a well-known dealer from NY was made aware of a fellow who wanted to sell of a light green flag he had. The person owning the supposed swallowtail flag lived somewhere in Tennessee. I cannot recall whether there was a photograph or just a description involved but contact was never made and the fellow and flag were never located. But the dealer did try!