Awarded 935-4

[Leroy]

eMedals has recently listed the Knights Cross of Hans-Babo von Rohr, awarded November 5, 1944. It is a 935-4. (For some reason, in the description, it is said that the rear of the cross has 'von Rah' scratched into it, but the inscription, when enlarged, is clearly 'von Rohr'.) The description also says the cross has a replaced loop and comes with an original wearing ribbon.

Thanks to Sepp45 (who is constantly updating the Knights Cross thread: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...69#post5602969)!

Here's a link to the site and a photo of von Rohr: http://www.emedals.com/collectors-ga...-rohr?vmcchk=1

[Luftm40]

I'm not convinced about the loop and ribbon...

[Leroy]

Agree. The cross is one thing (and very nice), but the loop and ribbon aren't doing much for me and are, IMO, postwar replacements. It would not surprise me (and this is pure speculation) that IF the family may have had this after the war, the posthumously awarded Oakleaves may have been attached, then later detached and separated.

[ccnrecon]

I am a cross newbie, but it seems to me that this cross would make a significant contribution to what is known about 935-4 crosses and their timeline if it is indeed his awarded specimen.

[Darrell]

Most of attributed pieces have no merit IMO.
I would hardly base timelines unless I had undisputed proof it was a wartime awarded item. That's the problem as time goes on ... how many people have owned the piece? How many stories of hand-me-down do you have?

I take any provenance with a grain of salt. That's why I changed collecting focus. To an area where you can believe what you have in your hands.

[StefanK.]

Looks like Benno Fürmann

[Leroy]

Here is another photo of von Rohr. In both this photo and the first one posted, the cross is clearly an S&L. According to the seller (who I personally believe), the cross itself came from a picker and the fact that it was scratched with the name was not even noticed until later. I am surprised, given the intense discussion about "B" crosses in the past, that so few have commented on this (in fact, only about 300 views in a week's time). Of course, the scratched name and date does NOT establish provenance, but it is interesting nevertheless and the award date could fit. It is certainly a real 935-4.

[vonStubben]

I'm not convinced about the loop and ribbon...

It's possible that Barry added them. When I traded him my K&Q KC towards the S&L KC with Oakleaves that came off the salesmans sample board I had a worn ribbon from another cross I had sold some time earlier which he also took in trade towards the S&L only to see it affixed to a cross he sold on his sight some time later.

[StefanK.]

Something i find quite odd is the inscription on the reverse. To write a date with a slash "/" is not the usual practice in germany. We rather write 5.11.1944. Moreover i think it was more common to write Ltn. instead of Lt., but as with the date it has a slight chance. On the other hand the style of the other letters look promising and could have been done by a german.

[ccnrecon]

This thread is a bit old but I wonder if anyone has tried to further run down the origin and provenance of this cross? Certainly it is not concrete provenance but still It seems as if its a fairly big deal. Im glad Leroy brought it up. By the way can someone give a fair estimate of the value of a mint 935-4 with full length ribbon and suspension ring that is uncased?

[ccnrecon]

Another late war 935-4 rk group. Makes one wonder if these were in fact awarded after all...
http://www.emedals.com/highlighted-o...-elbing-g17031

[Dietrich Maerz]

They were awarded after all and it is documented (International Militaria Collector, Vol. 5, No.1), Bollmann. 5. Nov. 1944.

[Ludwig]

Walter Scheunemann

Found these in an old Carsten Zeige auction catalogue:

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