L/11 Luft Flak - Pics anyone?

[anguspm]

Hi Guys,

After searching I can't find any pics of one of these badges

As the article on the main pages doesn't have Demuer as one of the listed makers I suppose the first question is :

Are they an accepted maker?

If accepted is €165 a fair price

Thanks in advance!

Best regards,

Angus

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Angus,

At this point of my collecting knowledge I would dare to say there is no original L/11 Luftwaffe Flak badge, but never say never. A pic might solve the riddle.

[anguspm]

Hi Frank,

Hopefully you'll be able to tell something from these pics.

I like the rounded hinge (featured on other L/11 badges) and generally the detailing overall.

The maker mark is a bit week ie an I not an L

I haven't yet bought the badge so hopefully there are no copyright issues with the pic?

[anguspm]

Rev

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Angus,

A firtst for me, but I like what I see, the badge overall looks good and the L/11 mark is what can be found on other L/11 products as well.

Definitley one I would buy. My radar says "ok". If you want it, make sure you catch it fast, now that we all know where it is!
I will be a gentleman and stay away, btw.

[anguspm]

Many thanks Frank,

There were that many things that I liked about it and if it hadn't a maker mark I would have bought it as a nice unmarked piece.

Hopefully I was quick enough to order it in time. I hadn't thought that someone else would try to get their first. i guess I'm a little too trusting at times!

It'll go nicely with the air gunner from the other day as badges I found for myself whilst not being textbook pieces! And if someone does order it before me well then I'll just be happy to have bought something different to the eyes of a fellow collector.

Thanks again,

Angus

[skip]

Hi guys,

just to add my 2 cents but it looks very much like a zinc GB Flak to me!!
Another case of Wilhelm buying outside of his company?

Skip

[Philippe DB]

Hi Skipy,


I think you're absolutely correct it is a zink GB. How are we ever going to be sure of anything. Lately we have seen quite a few badges with unlogical maker marks.


Here is a zink GB

KR
Philippe

[Philippe DB]

reverse

[anguspm]

Had the confirmation this morning

As I don't have a GB flak (yet ) I'll make some decent pics and measurements when this one arrives and post the data to see if it is comparable in terms of size and weight.

Personally I'm not too suprised about this one as:

a) Demuer already make a number of LW badges.
b) Although the larger firm (in this case it could be either as I'm not familiar with their respective sizes) wins the contract award what would stop them subcontracting the work.
c) Similar to (b) but if your contract award was for a small production run it may well be cheaper to buy excess stock/tooling from a previous manufacturer than tool up with a new design and hence higher costs.

Hopefully some of these will be answered when the badge arrives....

Thanks to all,

Angus

[Kecon]

Angus

I have to agree with Skip about this one being a GB flak. I have a
couple of GB's and the one you show looks like a perfect match.
I've an unmarked zinc flak, that I've always thought, could be a
Deumer. It has a type hindge that Deumer sometimes used on their
Luft badges. Of cource other firms also used this hindge as well.
The Pin is what makes me think it could be Deumer, as it has a
flattened area at the top. This, Ive seen on other Deumer Luft.
badges. Of cource I'm just guessing Deumer as I sure don't have
a marked one to compare to.

BR
Ken

[Kecon]

The obverse

[skip]

Hi Ken,

thats an interesting variation of the Luft Flak. The obverse remings me of a WH. It is zink right?
Is the hinge sitting directly on the badge or is there a plate underneath it?
I would agree with you about the flattened pin possibly being linked to Deumer but of course it could also be x other manufacturer.

Skip

[Kecon]

Hi Skip

To answer your questions. Yes, it is for sure, zink. And the hindge
is soldered directly to the badge. ( no base plate).
I know Ive seen this type of hindge and pin on marked Deumers.
I once had a marked Deumer gunners badge in zinc that had the same
type hindge and also a pin with flattened area at the top, part way down.

BR
Ken

[skip]

Yeh I´ve seen those type Deumers as well Ken. I think they were the forerunner of the type with very small hinge mounted on a base plate and just after the buntmetal pieces.
I think your Flak could well be an unmarked Deumer as well.

Skip