AC badge on estand

[BubbaZ]

Hi,
I would like to know your opinion on this zinc S&L Auxiliary Cruiser badge offered on estand here:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=505691

I personaly have bad feelings about it. I might be wrong but to me it looks like:
1) Staegemeir fake; or
2) Original badge with Staegemeir globe added for some reason (less likely as a rivet seems to be hollow which is not a good sign for these S&L's...)

Thanks in advance for your comments.
Cheers,
Hubert

[panzer224]

I cannot fully comment on this but I feel iffy about it and agree with your statements. I am still learning so how could the globe (if fake) had been added?

[Mike Kenny]

Adding the pics for the discussion.

The badge and hinge/pin catch are imo fine. The globe seems to be an exceptionally good fit.

I do agree that the tone of the badge compared to the globe looks unusual. Without seeing a shot of the rivets or a shot showing how the globe sits, it's hard to say exactly what's happening though.

It may simply be a case of an earlier (?plated tombak) globe on a zinc badge.

Regards
Mike

[Mike Kenny]

other pic...

[BubbaZ]

Hi Mike,
Thanks for your comment! The badge is well done indeed but the globe is rotated a bit counterclockwise.
What worries me most is that I can see Staegemeir's fingerprints on it. I marked them on enclosed obverse pic and also enclose for comparison fake AC badge which can be found on Hero's site.
Please see also discussion on related subcject on GCA here:
http://www.germancombatawards.com/th...tuser=0&page=1
Cheers,
Hubert

[BubbaZ]

More Staegemeir's AC pics from this crook web site.
Cheers,
Hubert

[BubbaZ]

Hi again,
After reeding more Norm's and Martin's discussions on forums I would like to add two more options:
3) post war S&L badge (used by Staegemeir to produce his fakes).
4) post war assembly S&L badge where only a globe is post war, and rest is wartime.
Which is true hard to say. Maybe I am a bit paranoic about this crook but he knows how to make the badge look old.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Martin W]

Hi Hubert,

after re-reading the old thread from GCA i think that your option #4 is most likely here.

The badge is definately made from period S&L dies IMO and the reverse hardware looks period too.

So,most likely postwar assembly with period parts?

I would like to see the rivet on this example also,hard to tell what type from the images above.

Regards,Martin.

[BubbaZ]

Martin, thanks for your comment!

Time to eat my words from the beginning of this thread then - not a Staegemeir, that is good news
Most likely post war assembly badge combining war time wreath and hardware with post war globe. It fits Norm's theory from GCA thread.
Cheers,
Hubert

[Norm F]

Hi Guys,

I think Martin's and Hubert's last 2 posts sum it up pretty well. In my opinion, the badge wreath was made from S&L wartime dies (either in late wartime or post-war Lüdenscheid, you can't tell which), wartime hardware, post-war production globe (the "Type 2") and post-war assembly and rivets. (And just to add insult to injury, Staegemeir copied S&L's post-war globe.)

Note that these conclusions are all based on badge forensics and not on any documented accounts of S&L's post-war practise, although it's now pretty well accepted that S&L was the "Souval of the north".

Best regards,
---Norm

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

I can only agree with the comments here, that this is likely a post-war S&L badge put together from wartime parts and with a post-war globe.

Great thread.

Tom