Now I saw this a few years ago and the eagle was missing,it now has a replacement Assmann.The TK is an alluminium Deschler,a friend has now bought it and puts it up for review,the sweat band has been replaced at some time.John
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Interior and you can see fragments of the original sweat band -
paste board and interiorComment
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rear view and side view.Comment
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Interesting Muller Sweatshield.Comment
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Apart from the replaced sweatband already mentioned, I find this cap very appealing!Comment
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Hallo collecter
This cap (if true) is one of the rarest pieces to find and it has a very high market value. I find (with amazement) that it has not raised here the debate I expected about. On the contrary, in my own opinion it should not go unnoticed, considered that, as a starting point, there are some details to be discussed:
- Replaced eagle;
- Replaced sweatband, with a sort of poor stirndruckfrei system (never seen on a Muller's original visor);
- an original (but toasted) Muller's label on a (partially) disturbed lining.
Is it, therefore, possible to know something more about its previous pedigree?
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What about the officers chin cords on a NCO crusher? The liner looks replaced if I look at the thread and way it is attach. The outside wear and the inside just does not match. Franky imo. JacquesComment
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It looks to me to be an officers crusher, with velvet band. It that in fact correct?Originally posted by jacquesf View Post
If so and if orignal,it would in my opinion put this cap off the scale in rarity. The chincords would be ok (IMO) either way as they could have been and often were added by officers during the war to both EM type and officer crushers.
Is the cap earthgray or feldgrau?
If orginal, the replaced sweatband would make little difference as the cap is really a one of kind in terms of surviving examples of cloth visor velvet band officer crushers......Not one period velvet band crusher in modern photos in the SS headgear by Beaver/Shea that I recall.Comment
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Phil, if I understand it correctly the cloth billed crushers were for nco's. I find the combination of velvet band and cloth bill also odd, unless it was a special request on a privately purchased cap. I have looked at a lot of period pics and have not seen that combination.JacquesComment
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The only one with cords(nco) I have seen. They seem to have the woolen cap band as well.Comment
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Thanks for the photos, as always you post some great ones.
I have seen what I believe to be EM/NCO wool band crushers worn by officers during the wartime. The photos have to be close up, high quality and with the light reflecting off the band just right to tell for sure. The same goes for some officers wearing cloth visored EM versions as well.....but I have only seen an example or two of this that I can recall and in those photos I assumed the bands well wool badge cloth and not velvet.
I have no idea what to make of the cap posted. I assume it is a private purchase officer's version of the cloth visored crusher that was regulation for EM/NCOs.
Were crushers ever regulation wear for SS officers? I do not think that I have seen such a regulation, although from Himmler on down to Ustf they were worn extensivly....both with and without chincords.Comment
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Phil, pretty much agree with your assessment. Do you think the outside of the posted cap is even original? JacquesComment
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I would'nt consider this a M37 w/ that velvet band.
IMO it's a copy.I have seen several of these all w/replaced SB,wear that makes no
sense,missing or fake insignia and same white piping.
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Cheers SteveComment
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Hi,all I know is that this item came from a London pub,I saw this at least ten years ago,a dealer had bought it,the eagle was missing,I cannot remember if the replacement sweat band was in place then and the guy added it later.Two months ago the item came up for sale and my friend bought it,when he showed it to me it had an awful fake eagle on it,which I pointed out(bought in Belgium).The material is fine field grey twill and has a velvet band.The lable is waxed paper.When new this was a quality item,if it was made in the sixties then of cause its got some age to it.I must admit I'm on the fence with this,its sitting in my room now and part of me says its right,but I'm no expert and over the years I've seen some fake stuff,but with this I just don't know.JohnOriginally posted by enorepap View PostHallo collecter
This cap (if true) is one of the rarest pieces to find and it has a very high market value. I find (with amazement) that it has not raised here the debate I expected about. On the contrary, in my own opinion it should not go unnoticed, considered that, as a starting point, there are some details to be discussed:
- Replaced eagle;
- Replaced sweatband, with a sort of poor stirndruckfrei system (never seen on a Muller's original visor);
- an original (but toasted) Muller's label on a (partially) disturbed lining.
Is it, therefore, possible to know something more about its previous pedigree?
Thank you and best regardsComment
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