Opinion of Aux Cruiser

[Josko]

Gentlemen,

Your opinions on the validity this Aux Cruiser is eagerly sought!

Any opinions on likely maker also gratefully appreciated

Cheers

Joseph

[Josko]

Pics 3 and 4

[Mike75]

original badge, probably S&L
Mike

[Pepe77]

Fully agree with Mike, pin setup looks like S&L

[Norm F]

Hi Guys,

Well, wait for Martin to weigh in, but I have concerns.

Similar to S&L but not like any other I've seen. On the reverse, the wavy striations are strange, the "question mark" catch is sometimes seen on S&L tombak badges but not on zincers, and the rivet is wrong. On the obverse, the the Viking's helmet differs from S&L and the globe is shrunken, exposing the upper rim of the backing.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

Hi Guys,

Well, wait for Martin to weigh in, but I have concerns.

Similar to S&L but not like any other I've seen. On the reverse, the wavy striations are strange, the "question mark" catch is sometimes seen on S&L tombak badges but not on zincers, and the rivet is wrong. On the obverse, the the Viking's helmet differs from S&L and the globe is shrunken, exposing the upper rim of the backing.

Best regards,
---Norm

Agree, lets get Martin's opinion on this one. Needs a closer look. Remember it is common to see the globe stick up a bit over the backing, but not the backing to stick up over the globe as best I can remember.

John

[mrg]

going off those pics not one I would be happy with, lacks the detail in certain areas and looks as if it has been chemically weathered in my opinion. Regards

[Mike75]

Hi Guys,

Well, wait for Martin to weigh in, but I have concerns.

Similar to S&L but not like any other I've seen. On the reverse, the wavy striations are strange, the "question mark" catch is sometimes seen on S&L tombak badges but not on zincers, and the rivet is wrong. On the obverse, the the Viking's helmet differs from S&L and the globe is shrunken, exposing the upper rim of the backing.

Best regards,
---Norm

Hi Norm,
Globe is shifted, and I think it's a manufacturing defect. I agree that we need more photos. But it seems to me that the rivets, are similar.
Only the hook is the big question?
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[BubbaZ]

Hi Joseph,
I do not like this AC either. If it is S&L then most likely postwar. If you have a proof that it is wartime than it might rather be some unsuccesfull try by B&NL not S&L?
Regards,
Hubert

[Josko]

I have to admit I was concerned about the "shrinking" globe and there seems to be enough doubt out there for me to give her a big miss!

thanks guys....much appreciated

Joseph

[Martin W]

I have to admit I was concerned about the "shrinking" globe and there seems to be enough doubt out there for me to give her a big miss!

thanks guys....much appreciated

Joseph

Hi Josko,

from your comment above,i take that you do not have the badge in hand?

Measurements would be helpful here.

The badge is definately of the S&L design and i beleive this badge was made from the original period S&L dies.

The question is,as it is with many of these S&L HK's when was it made?
With S&L's reputation of postwar production,who knows in some cases.

I have not seen,what i would consider to be an original zinc S&L HK award with this reverse set up and finish.Having said that,i would not be too amazed by seeing a new variant due to the fact that these awards exist with so many variations in finish and reverse set ups.

I have seen awards of this type where the globe has been mounted "askew".and this seems to be the case here.
The globe is positioned low on the right side.

So,IMO we have a badge that could well be period or a badge that is postwar produced using period parts.

I would sure like to have this one in hand,from what i see at this point,i like it.

Regards,Martin.

[Martin W]

Interesting,

i thought i had seen this award before and if i am not mistaken it appears to be the same badge that appeared on an S&L salesboard that was for sale at "e-medals".

Norm,do have any images of this salesboard?
I think this is the only one i saved.
Can we determine if it is period or postwar from the other images of the board?


Regards,Martin.

[Darrell]

I guess someone peeled the badges off to sell separately. Or at least this one.

[Norm F]

Interesting,

i thought i had seen this award before and if i am not mistaken it appears to be the same badge that appeared on an S&L salesboard that was for sale at "e-medals".

Norm,do have any images of this salesboard?
I think this is the only one i saved.
Can we determine if it is period or postwar from the other images of the board?


Regards,Martin.

Hi Martin,

I actually made that composite graphic you posted from the e-medals postings, but didn't recognize the badge in the thread! Good pickup!

But it's odd. Look at the globe of the e-medals badge compared with your wartime S&L. Although the globe is positioned a little to the right has you indicated, it's clearly not trimmed down at all compared with yours, and to my eye the positioning alone can't account for such a big gap being created. I still think this globe is very slightly smaller. Interestingly it's still the type 1, "wartime" globe, as described in our recent thread on GCA, but I think a defective one.

I bet the e-medals badge was post-war assembled in Lüdenscheid from leftover parts and rejects and attached to the sample board for the souvenir market. It sure is interesting to finally see these better pictures of the badge from that board.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Here are the original internet postings of this board.