Allg ss 3rd foot regiment - how early?

[inimicus]

comments please on this fine original group portrait of '3rd' troopers.
they wear the '1' cuff title and as you'd expect the photog mark shows a nuremberg address. I got the image in a period frame with celluloid
pane on front.

I make this as 1933-34 b/c the new-style box form kepis and belt buckles are being work along with the old-style swivel clip for the shoulder strap. but: no shoulder straps as ordered already in 1930??

also I think 'early' coz these fellows look like they still have their war faces - so I'd guess the ''kampfzeit' is still on in some regions. (and note the medic in back. also notice the grim little boy 'mascot' above the un-titled fahne.)

also - anyone know who's who - at least the sturmfuehrer in center? and what's the venue?

I'd show the reverse and its great ink-stamps but prefer not to for obvious reasons... there is a mention of 'f.m.' were fotos a token for contributing members? anyway I hope you enjoy the pic.

[inimicus]

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[inimicus]

3 - also interesting thecommander still wea wes wears the kepi and not the (still unavailable?) schirmmutze...

[inimicus]

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[inimicus]

and mollo says officers' tabs didn't get 'solid' until sep. '34 - so this is at least that early, eh? finally what's the thing on the inside corner of his rank tab? it's not on the pic

[max history]

Great photo. I believe this unit was based in Nürnberg. Unfortunately, I cannot see any well known faces, but I think the inclusion of the young boy is an unusual touch. Thanks for posting it.
Max.

[inimicus]

thanks max; yes the photog's stamp has a nurnberg address.

[harmel]

3rd ss

Very interesting pics thanks for posting,nice one Max what would
we do without you!!!
Harmel

[Robin Lumsden]

I make it mid-1932 to mid-1933.

Great photo.

[inimicus]

thanks a lot robin. luckily it hasn't been sun-faded.

[Robert H]

Nürnberg, and the Kampfzeit in Franconia was always on a higher level then in other regions for my view. This was a very brown cultured area.

[inimicus]

I today got this excellent note from a knowledgeable source:

"The Haupttruppfuehrer for this unit in September 1932 was a man called Degenhart. It is most likely him with a promotion."

Nürnberg, and the Kampfzeit in Franconia was always on a higher level then in other regions for my view. This was a very brown cultured area.

[max history]

I today got this excellent note from a knowledgeable source:

"The Haupttruppfuehrer for this unit in September 1932 was a man called Degenhart. It is most likely him with a promotion."

Your source is referring to Christoph Degenhart, DOB 21 Mar 1898, NSDAP 6 571, SS 4 914. His ranking was as follows: SS-Sturmführer 6 Sept 1932; SS-Obersturmführer 24 Dec 1933; SS-Sturmhauptführer 14 May 1934; SS-Sturmbannführer 20 Apr 1935; SS-Obersturmbannführer 30 Jan 1937; SS-Standartenführer 30 Jan 1942. He held the Golden Party Badge and the EK2 and was attached to the Staff SS-Oberabschnitt Main. Unfortunately, I do not have a photo of him, so I cannot confirm whether or not it's him in your photo, but I think the chances are extremely strong.
Hope this is of some use.
Max.

[inimicus]

remarkably useful, max. thanks so much!

Your source is referring to Christoph Degenhart, DOB 21 Mar 1898, NSDAP 6 571, SS 4 914. His ranking was as follows: SS-Sturmführer 6 Sept 1932; SS-Obersturmführer 24 Dec 1933; SS-Sturmhauptführer 14 May 1934; SS-Sturmbannführer 20 Apr 1935; SS-Obersturmbannführer 30 Jan 1937; SS-Standartenführer 30 Jan 1942. He held the Golden Party Badge and the EK2 and was attached to the Staff SS-Oberabschnitt Main. Unfortunately, I do not have a photo of him, so I cannot confirm whether or not it's him in your photo, but I think the chances are extremely strong.
Hope this is of some use.
Max.

[kirk]

Great photo!!