1914 EKII with 1939 frames, Juncker?

[Roglebk]

Hi, this one keeps me awake at night, what do you think of the maker? First i thought it was a Juncker but it does not match my unmarked 1939 EKII. It is marked in the bandring with 800. Inner corners with crosshatching. Obverse has a kind of stippled core, reverse don't. Crowns on obvere and reverse are completely different and very detailed and higher than the frame.

[Roglebk]

back

[Roglebk]

Obverse crown

[Roglebk]

Crowns are very high (or thick), sticks up over the frame and go some wear because of that.

[Roglebk]

Crosshatching

[Roglebk]

Compared to a unmarked Juncker

[grueni1208]

Your 1914 EK II is not by Juncker, because Juncker used another core design.
Maybe it's another LDO maker.

Regards

Daniel

[Roglebk]

Thanks Daniel, there's not so many to choose from considering the framehump and crosshatching. Went through L/11, L/13, L/15, L/18, L54, L/56 & L/58 and they are out of the competition. That leaves L/55, did i forget anyone? Could be a L/55 i guess, with remade die, or L/12 with a different core?

[grueni1208]

Thanks Daniel, there's not so many to choose from considering the framehump and crosshatching. Went through L/11, L/13, L/15, L/18, L54, L/56 & L/58 and they are out of the competition. That leaves L/55, did i forget anyone? Could be a L/55 i guess, with remade die, or L/12 with a different core?

...maybe.
I only have L/11, Juncker and L/54 compare.

Regards

Daniel

[Steve Campbell]

I'm surprised to see an 800 silver mark on the ring of a TR era made Imperial piece. Weren't the frames of TR era EKs not made with real silver at all, but a different type of material? I know the RKs are marked with 800, but those would be the only ones from this era to have such a marking.

[StefanK.]

I personally would not reduce Juncker to a single core design. Even 1939 Juncker considered crosses show several core designs.

I would declare this cross as a piece by a "Juncker - related" company. I cannot say if it was Juncker itself who produced the cross but i am totally convinced that Juncker hat its fingers in several pies - so in this cross.

Stefan

[Roglebk]

Steve> I was surprised too! It could be a later added mark or a changed ring i guess, its not soldered, will get a pic of the mm later. Frames looks like they are made of silver, have that "silver oxide look" and in the worn places i see no sign of base metal suggesting them to be plated.

StefanK> My thoughts too. Guess i'll just call it unknown for now.

[StefanK.]

Hi Roglebk,

could you please post a picture of the "800" mark?


Stefan

[Douglas 5]

Hi Roglebk... what lets you believe your 1939 EK2 is a Juncker ?

Douglas

[Montgomery Burns]

I'm surprised to see an 800 silver mark on the ring of a TR era made Imperial piece. Weren't the frames of TR era EKs not made with real silver at all, but a different type of material? I know the RKs are marked with 800, but those would be the only ones from this era to have such a marking.

if marked ,,,often with 800 mark

and the frame looks to me like a juncker.

crosing lines in the corners is one thing simular to my juncker