Oakleaves and Swords

[George L]

Up is a S&L made piece for your review. Has the raised 'O', and silver content along with nicely cutout leaves, and burnished highlights. This one is kind of interesting in that the ribbon loop extends down past the swords whereas others seem to only be on the OL's.

[George L]

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Another front shot

[George L]

back

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[DavidM]

Hello

To me they look like a very nice S&L made set. The pureists will tell us that as the Oaks etc didn't fall under the 57 new form laws, these can only be post war made copies / reproductions. What I'd say is that these are the sort of thing I'd like to have with an early first pattern 57 RK - and I bet any veteran who needed a set of these to go with their new form RK would agree.

Nice set, and thanks for showing.

Regards
David

[Leroy]

Very nice early S&L set!

The loop, in my opinion, has been "re-bent" to come down below the swords, to prevent contact between the swords and the cross. I have an almost identical set.

P.S. I forgot to add that no one knows WITH CERTAINTY whether these were made during the war or after. They are certainly not the junk we've come to associate with "collector" versions from S&L.

[Franco]

Hi,
This set is typical of the first 57er production run by S&L.I can see where the die flaw found on wartime sets has been removed.Nice set.

[Leroy]

In the second photo, it looks like the "flaw" is still there (assuming you are talking about the flaw next to the right "vein").

[Mike Yokum]

Geez George! Another home run! Beautiful piece!

[Peter Wiking]

George
This is a good set of earliest manufacture.

Peter

[speedytop]

Hi David,

Yes, I am a purist

"Purismus (lat.) bezeichnet eine Geisteshaltung, die nach Reinheit geistiger Schöpfungen strebt und versucht, sie von „fremden“ Zutaten zu befreien."

"Purism (lat.) calls a mentality which strives for cleanness of spiritual creations and tries to free them from "foreign" ingredients."

And a copy is not an original

Kind Regards
Uwe

[George L]

Yes, I believe these to be an early post war set. I call them "57's" as this is the style I bet would be encountered on the early 57 RK's. Some call them reproductions, and that's perfectly fine. Regardless of terminology, I think it's a nice set.

Hello

To me they look like a very nice S&L made set. The pureists will tell us that as the Oaks etc didn't fall under the 57 new form laws, these can only be post war made copies / reproductions. What I'd say is that these are the sort of thing I'd like to have with an early first pattern 57 RK - and I bet any veteran who needed a set of these to go with their new form RK would agree.

Nice set, and thanks for showing.

Regards
David

[Leroy]

I also believe, personally, that this is a very nice early set from the 1957 period.
These are getting harder and harder to find and it will go beautifully with an early '57 cross.


I just wanted to clarify my earlier comment that "no one knows WITH CERTAINTY whether these were made during the war or after". I said this only because Gordon Williamson shows this type as being a wartime piece. The "O" on the back has always been to me a pretty good sign of postwar production, although many believe that S&L used this mark during the war as well. I don't know, and am not sure if anyone knows for sure, if this is correct.

Congratulations, George!

[esquiroz]

It's very nice, and I think also that they are post war pieces, or if period peices, only retails for shops.
I also have the same ones but witout the silbermark, so I think mines are of neusilber.
Regards
Carlos

[speedytop]

Hi,

very interesting

Leroy:
"... that no one knows WITH CERTAINTY whether these were made during the war or after."
"I also believe, personally, that this is a very nice early set from the 1957 period"
esquiroz:
"... or if period pieces, only retails for shops."
Geoge L:
"Yes, I believe these to be an early post war set."
Peter Wiking:
"This is a good set of earliest manufacture."
Franco:
"This set is typical of the first 57er production run by S&L"

That should be correct:
DavidM:
"To me they look like a very nice S&L made set."

A part of the answer you can find here:
esquiroz:
"I also have the same ones but witout the silbermark,..."

"...the same ones...", that is correct.

I have both, the version in 800 silver and the silvered version.

The obverse of both versions is made, in my opinion, in exact the same die, the reverse on the silvered version is without the 800, and the "O" is on the other side of the loop (made by a left-handed worker?).

I bought both pieces approximately in 1990 , in the "Kleiderkasse für die Bundeswehr" in Koblenz.

Price list from 1981:
- Eichenlaub mit Schwertern zum Ritterkreuz des EK 1939, echt Silber
- - ohne Etui 25,50 DM
- --- mit Etui 32,50 DM
- Eichenlaub mit Schwertern zum Ritterkreuz des EK 1939, versilbert
- - ohne Etui 15,50 DM
- --- mit Etui 22,50 DM

Price list from 1989:
- Eichenlaub mit Schwertern zum RK 18,- DM [versilbert, ohne Etui]
The silver versions were not listed in the newer catalogues, but you could buy them direct in Koblenz, it could last some days. And it was (for me) not a problem, to buy the cases at that time also direct in Koblenz.

Beeing a war time piece? Never!

A good set of earliest manufacture? A good set, okay. Earliest? That is, for me, the question.

Everybody can form here his own opinion.
To me personally it makes no difference, when the 1957 versions were produced, as long as the quality is acceptable.

Kind Regards
Uwe

PS: I think, it is the time for me, to leave the 1957 section, because I don't have friends here, based on my numerous controverse comments.

[Darrell]

PS: I think, it is the time for me, to leave the 1957 section, because I don't have friends here, based on my numerous controverse comments.

About time you listen and maybe accept other thoughts, opinions and theories once in a while, rather than getting pissed when people don't go along with yours?

Adios