Flower War medals and West Wall Medal on Medal Bar

[luftkrieg]

Hi.

I recently got this bar as part of a trade. Some collectors are saying that the Sudetenland Medal (and any other Flower War Medal) cannot be mounted with a West Wall medal on a Wehrmacht medal bar.

I have also heard that only 2 Flower War medals can be mounted on a Wehrmact bar with a West Wall medal...

So, i would like to hear others opinions on this matter...what where the correct regulations??

Thanks
Pierce

P.S. I believe that this was not the case with medal bars belonging to those in the SS/Political Organisations and the NSDAP as they could wear Flower War medals with West Wall (??)

P.P.S. My new medal bar is 100% original in every way....

[McCulloh]

Go to the photos section and look at the Bill Petz etc. Wedding photos section. there you will see a LOT of medal bars. Some of these have this or a similar combination. Remember also, there are LOTs of photos of Waffen SS wearing the Wehrmacht LS awards.
This was done.

[luftkrieg]

Go to the photos section and look at the Bill Petz etc. Wedding photos section. there you will see a LOT of medal bars. Some of these have this or a similar combination. Remember also, there are LOTs of photos of Waffen SS wearing the Wehrmacht LS awards.
This was done.

Many thanks McColloh.

There are nearly 300 pages of photos there ...any particular pages i should be looking at?

Kind regards
Pierce

[mrg]

Going off the front cant see anything wrong with the bar or the order of awards. All the best

[luftkrieg]

Going off the front cant see anything wrong with the bar or the order of awards. All the best

Yes, this bar is solid, completely original. The bar is not the issue, merely an example.

My previous question still stands...i hope someone can answer.
Thanks
Pierce

[peterm]

Hi Pierce !

To answer Your question:

Regulations said ("Artikel 6 über die Stiftung des Deutschen Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichens"), that Wehrmacht-members, who were awarded the "Commemorative medal for 1. October 1938" or the "Memel-medal" COULD NOT be awarded the "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen".

The reason for this was simple. The "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen" was given for missions between 15.06.1938 and 31.03.1939. Nearly the same time as for the two commemorative medals mentioned above. Despite this regulations, there ARE men who were awarded both "01.10.38-medal" AND "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen", but I think this case didn't happen too often.

Kind regards,

Peter

[luftkrieg]

Hi Pierce !

To answer Your question:

Regulations said ("Artikel 6 über die Stiftung des Deutschen Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichens"), that Wehrmacht-members, who were awarded the "Commemorative medal for 1. October 1938" or the "Memel-medal" COULD NOT be awarded the "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen".

The reason for this was simple. The "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen" was given for missions between 15.06.1938 and 31.03.1939. Nearly the same time as for the two commemorative medals mentioned above. Despite this regulations, there ARE men who were awarded both "01.10.38-medal" AND "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen", but I think this case didn't happen too often.

Kind regards,

Peter

Many thanks Peter,

So the bar is a rarety of sorts!
Thanks for clearing that up Peter.

Best regards
Pierce

[PeterL]

Hi Pierce !

To answer Your question:

Regulations said ("Artikel 6 über die Stiftung des Deutschen Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichens"), that Wehrmacht-members, who were awarded the "Commemorative medal for 1. October 1938" or the "Memel-medal" COULD NOT be awarded the "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen".

The reason for this was simple. The "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen" was given for missions between 15.06.1938 and 31.03.1939. Nearly the same time as for the two commemorative medals mentioned above. Despite this regulations, there ARE men who were awarded both "01.10.38-medal" AND "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen", but I think this case didn't happen too often.

Kind regards,

Peter

Just to educate myself.

The question i have is when that artikel was issued? Wasn't the "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen" also awarded later on in the war for strengthening the invasion protection on the western front? If that articel was issued early in the war it could have been repalce later on. I might however be totally wrong about the medal beeing awarded later in the war, if so pls tell me and I will have lernt somethin today as well and the day will then not have been a total wast.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Peter

[peterm]

Hi Peter !

No, You are right ! The "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen" was instituted and awarded also for missions in 1944 ("Ostwall"). I didn't mention that, because the medal-bar in discussion for sure is an early-war or maybe peace-time product.

Many of these "1944"-medals were awarded in January to March 1945 and - due to the circumstances - You won't find many medal-bars made AFTER that time. Another reason is, that all the men once working at the "Westwall" afterwards became soldiers in the Wehrmacht and therefore didn't work at the "Ostwall". You will find many civilians under the "1944"-awards of the "Schutzwall-Ehrenzeichen".

Kind regards,

Peter

[PeterL]

Thank you Peter.

I'm lerning more and more.

Have a nice weekend

[luftkrieg]

After doing some researching i have found a number of bars with this combo, and all the West Wall medals look to be the 1939 issue...not the later 1944 zinc version.