Mint Ek1 Cased Klein & Quenzer with outer carton

[Valentino]

Here is my Ek1 from Klein und Quenzer with Case and outer carton.

Can somebody tell me if the case and the outer Carton is ok? In my opinion its ok, but I better ask. The First two pics are pics of the Iron cross front and rear.

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http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/5567/11my3.jpg

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2143/12nj1.jpg

[Thomas H]

Hi Valentino,

I don't really like the fact that there are parts in the designation print missing. The sort of carton used lookes really rough to me on the inside, I thought that they where also smouth on the inside. but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not saying that the carton is good or bad!

I want to ask you if you can make a straight shot of the front and the side where the makers mark is!

Cheers, Thomas

[Valentino]

Ek 1

No at the moment its not possible, because they are still not here.

I will get them next week.

[Andy K.]

Very nice unwearied „65“ EK I 1939 set.

Only because the pieces look as new, is not called that these fakes are. In my opinion are all three pieces genuine. But for sure, please post a detail photo of the mark “65”.

The almost filled out letter “ä” in the word “Empfänger” is probably typical for the cardboard of K&Q.

Andy

[Thomas H]

In have no problem with the cross and case, and I'm also not saying that the carton is a fake! I also noticed the filled out “ä” in the word “Empfänger”, but if you are a good faker you will do this!

Just wait for the better pictures.

Cheers, Thomas

[MH184]

The area of the 'a' filled in is typical for this very desigantion type, not sole K&Q cartonage per se.

It's also evident that other makers shared this designation guise for an an outer carton too.

K&Q of course used other styles other than this latter depiction. On such previous versions the 'a' area isn't blotted in.

For example: some are/appear to be 'generic' so far as to say they are used by a multitude of makers far and wide - Carl Wild to Zimmermann, where as others seem more localised as in Paul Meybauer and Juncker for brief examples. It's also important to note the duration of the war is instrumental too. Be it pre '41 or post that year, for numerous reasons.

I haven't gone into depth here, but I've been attempting to pair cartons to makers and subsequent numerous styles to each and all - that's why I just touched on that.

Seldom to date does anyone maker have a sole outer carton type. But it's still a lottery as to finds and examples out there.

In regard to this vey example, I think the concerns Pieter has stem from the cardboard quality (rough texture) and colouring (washy light grey/beige, which to all intents is reminiscent of modern form cardboard.

The designation print dosen't sit well on the the surface, the texture of the cardboard interfering with the ink application giving the lines and coverage of the lettering an interrupted form.

The cut of the end flaps however do bode well from what can be seen.

What concerns me slightly is the spacing between the R and K letters, I cant really make out the numerals on the date so well due to the angle of the picture.

I'm not overly keen personally on the designation lay, no.

I'd have to admit I'm not sure right at this moment in time and will take a stance of caution, until that is better pictures can be provided.

I will say it's unlike any fake I'm aware of and if it were to be fake, it's near to perfection in emulation of a genuine carton !!!

Has anyone encountered this very style of EK1 case with a K&Q in this guise of carton or other carton bonifed set ?

[Andy K.]

An identically K&Q EK I 1939 carton with a filled “ä” is illustrated on page 161 in the Iron Cross book from Harald Geißler.

On Valentino’s photo “img167” is on the opened inside lid a rusty point from the push button of the case to been seen clearly. These traces appear usually after many years of storage of the case in the carton.

[MH184]

Like I say Andy, it is typical with this designation format to encounter such concering the 'a', yes, but as far as maker marks go on the very exact cartons that display such, K&Q is but one maker to be found.

K&Q is a fairly common maker to encounter over all.



Kr


Marcus

[Allan P.]

I can't see anything that immediately raises concerns, although more photos would be nice.

Allan

[frankscholz]

65er

this is the set!
its now in my collect with the good coa niemann.

thanks all!!
frank

[frankscholz]

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[frankscholz]