57 Bronze CCC By Deumer & Winter Campaign Medal

[DavidM]

Hello

Here are a couple of pieces that I got the other week.

First is an early Bronze Close Combat Clasp, believed to be from the maker Deumer. It is of one piece construction.

Next is a Winter campaign medal, again an earlyish piece.

As usual, any comments or observations welcome.

Regards
David

[DavidM]

Rear of Bronze CCC

[DavidM]

Side view of Bronze CCC

[DavidM]

Winter Campaign Medal

[DavidM]

Winter Campaign Medal Rear

[George L]

Nice pieces...interesting that the CCC's were solid in the center and painted as opposed to the S&L's that were punched out with a back plate. The Ost front medal is super!

[DavidM]

Hello

Thanks George

Regards
David

[Thomas Durante]

Hi David,

Very interesting CCC. What makes you suspect Deumer? Deumer isn't a known maker of the wartime CCC.

Thanks

Tom

[George L]

Hey Tom, true, but 57 award makers don't correspond to WW2 makers... You can look at the Luft/Army/Nayy badges S&L made for 57 re-issue that they never made during WW2.

[CSForrester]

Hello,

i have sold the one-piece CCC to David and i told him that i believe they were made by Deumer.
I am shure about 99% that these CCC were made by Deumer.
Assmann did not produce any 57-award in large numbers. All pieces i have seen made by Assmann are very high quality and - a better example is the CCC in silver - have an other silver finish. Assmann has sold very soon only items made by Steinhauer, sometimes marked with their typical A. Assmanns own capacity was needed from 1955 on to supply the new federal german army.
Deumer has produced a lot of common and in large number awarded items, in first line awards for the army lika IAB, GAB, PAB and CCC. There was the best chance to sell them in economic numbers. I have got several groupings from former army-soldiers with these CCCs beside other typical Deumer-pieces. May be the tools or the needle setup were former from GWL or FLL, Deumer also used the former GWL-tool to produce the 57-ground-combat-badges of the airforce.
Regards
CSForrester

[Thomas Durante]

Hi guys,

George, you are right and I understand that S&L made many 57 badges that they didn't make in wartime, but I suspect it was because S&L was the MAIN supplier of 57 awards. I don't think there were that many companies authorized to make the 57 awards, so it makes sense to me that S&L, no doubt the Prominent maker of all 57 awards, would make every badge, whether they produced it wartime or not.

The main reason I ask about Deumer is that I suspect that they COULD have made a wartime CCC. The 6-dot CCC is the only unmarked CCC that has not been tied to a known maker, but I have suspected for a long time that this was Deumer. Unlike the other unmarked CCCs, there was not enough evidence to make a clear connection to Deumer & the 6dot CCC for the book. I am still looking for evidence and this is certainly one little piece to the puzzle.

CS, thanks for the information, that is very helpful. As you say, the pin used is certainly typical of a Ludenscheid-based maker.

Thanks guys.

Tom

[DavidM]

Hello

Thanks to all for the comments, and to Markus and Tom for some interesting information.

Regards
David