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    HJ knives: RZM number marked in the motto/diamond side of the blade

    Similar proposal to the thread i've just made...
    Should we clasify knives with RZM number marked in the opposite side as usual, meaning then, the motto or diamond side (if its a late piece), as bad examples?
    It looks like it is a characteristic to be very suspicious and still no strong answers regarding if there was any HJ knife marked with the RZM that way.
    Almost all the knives i've seen here or in other forums marked that way were total crap, but i remember seeing one but cant remember where (Mike, do you remember that one we talked about in the MSN?), that it was marked with the RZM number in the "diamond" side of the blade ( I think, if i remember well, that it was a late example) and to tell you the truth, i thought the overall of the knife was fine, except for that part. It looked to be a well worned knife, or as some would say, "salty", diamond looked fine and so the rest of the knife.
    Were there any HJ knives marked this way? any particular marker? or something?
    If not, should we, the collecting community, consider it as "bad" right away?
    I hope this debate can give a stronger general opinion about this issue that can help for the community.
    Any inputs are welcome!
    Last edited by Tiger89; 11-27-2007, 06:34 PM.

    #2
    This is an interesting topic Santiago, and one which was posed on GDC a little time ago. I believe there are many examples that are legitimate with the RZM marking on the obverse ricasso, however, there are also examples of fakes marked to the obverse side as well. I understand there was an order issued later in the period to mark the blades on the obverse but I have not been able to find anyone has seen the order, or has a copy of it.

    So, in my opinion, we cannot categorise obverse RZM marks as fakes, but as with everything, look at all areas when determining authenticity.

    Don't know if I'm allowed to do this or not, but here is a link to the discussion on GDC with some good examples of HJ's marked in this way.

    If I'm in error doing this, apologies!

    http://daggers.infopop.cc/eve/forums...2/m/2710086584

    Regards
    Russell

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      #3
      Russell, thank you very much for the link!! Helpfull information.
      When comparing the RZM number in the M7/19 1939 and in the M7/19 1940 there seems to be a interesting difference, although the M7/19 1939 looks indeed, to be poorly struck, there seems to be differences between them, but well.., thank you for the link! I guess i missed that thread.

      If we could complete this topic with more info or pics from our members, it would be great!

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        #4
        Santiago, the 19 is interesting. I've seen other M7/19 HJ's marked exactly the same way as the one shown. It seems not everything was done with precision and care, and anomalies do exist. Such items are probably sometimes thought of as fakes.

        Regards
        Russell

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          #5
          Originally posted by RussellM View Post
          Santiago, the 19 is interesting. I've seen other M7/19 HJ's marked exactly the same way as the one shown. It seems not everything was done with precision and care, and anomalies do exist. Such items are probably sometimes thought of as fakes.

          Regards
          Russell
          Yes the "19" was a little different. Good to know you've seen others like that one.

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            #6
            Hi !

            I also own a Fahrtenmesser with the maker´s mark on the "wrong" side.

            It´s a RZM M7/80 from 1938.


            Regards, Reibert

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              #7
              Originally posted by Reibert-Austria View Post
              Hi !

              I also own a Fahrtenmesser with the maker´s mark on the "wrong" side.

              It´s a RZM M7/80 from 1938.


              Regards, Reibert
              Now that's interesting! Does it have the motto?
              If it's not a problem, could you post photos of it? Would love to see them!

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                #8
                Hi !

                I´m not able to post pic´s here.

                No, my knife did not have the motto on the blade.

                Here´s the thread in "my" German Forum:

                http://www.militaria-fundforum.de/sh...ight=msdonaldo

                Here in the WAF there is an user, who´s mod in this German forum.
                If he want´s, he has my permission to show pic´s of my knife here in the WAF.

                and here´s the same maker, with the motto on the blade.

                http://www.militaria-fundforum.de/sh...falscher+Seite

                (I´m not the owner of the knife with the motto)

                Reibert

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