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    Conclusions in the last year

    Some very interesting conclusions/discoveries in the last year:

    1. The assumed "Wernstein" U-boat badge was actually made by the firm Wiedman. Another thread was run on this.

    2. Deumer made the unknown "Hymenn type" badge as evidenced in the catalog of that company and thread. The accepted Deumer u-boat badge could very well also be made by Duemer based on the evidence in Torpedo Los--that of the packet marked Deumer that had the accepted Deumer badge in it to the family of a killed sailor. So Deumer might have started with the high pin no prop/screw version and changed later to the conventional looking Deumer we are already familiar with.

    3.. I would also say the circumstantial evidence still points to the "Juncker" u-boat badge as indeed a Juncker made badge. Especially when compared to the EK1 spange by Juncker.

    4. The possiblility that the "long pin" unmarked tombak Schwerin U-boat badge, recognized also by the silvered looking pin and upside down hinge, was actually made by Steinhauer. This is based on the drawings in the Steinhauer catalog that look like the Schwerin obverse but has the long round tail sticking down below the wreath. It is circumstantial, but no Steinhauer U-boat badge has appeared, and, it might be because we have labled this unmarked variant a Schwerin. The other Schwerin that is unmarked has the normal Schwerin reverse hardware, so you should remember in any case that there are two unmarked tombak Schwerin type tombak U-boat badges in addition to the marked ones.
    Last edited by John R.; 01-22-2010, 11:57 PM.

    #2
    Hi Rob,

    Thanks for the info, good to keep in mind.

    Can you post some pics of the S&L Uboat badge, including reverse hardware? I am interested in it because I was able to make a very firm connection to S&L with one of the unmarked types of Close Combat Clasps and it may be worth a try to see what hardware is on the Uboat.

    Thanks

    Tom
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      #3
      Again, this is just an observation, not a fact.

      Badge and catalog images attached below. The image thanks to Gordon Williamson and GMIC website. John
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      Last edited by John R.; 10-17-2007, 05:40 PM.

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        #4
        The badge he is talking about thanks to Martin Westley's post at GMIC. The damage is due to hand vaulting.

        John
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        Last edited by John R.; 10-17-2007, 03:23 PM.

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          #5
          reverse, again, Martin Westley U-boat badge. John
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            #6
            By the way, I recommend that if you are not signed up with GMIC (Gentleman's Military Interest Club) you should. It has a great KM database that is worth taking a look at if for nothing else, reference.

            Their website is:

            http://gmic.co.uk/

            John

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              #7
              Hmmm... Interesting observations...

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                #8
                Back to the top concerning the upside down hinge on Schwerin type U-boat badge. John

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                  #9
                  Norm and Hubert, how about an update to this thread?

                  John

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by John Robinson View Post
                    Norm and Hubert, how about an update to this thread?

                    John
                    Hi John,
                    U-boat badge in post 5 and 6 is honest tombak Schwerin, type 5C according to pinned Schwerin u-boat timeline (thick neck, unmarked, squared flat wire catch, flipped block hinge, headless hinge pin).

                    The one pictured in S&L catalogue looks also like Schwerin and not S&L.

                    Cheers,
                    Hubert

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by John Robinson View Post
                      Norm and Hubert, how about an update to this thread?

                      John
                      Hi John,

                      Not sure what direction to take the thread - either a clarification on the S&L U-Boat or a summary of new discoveries in general in the last year or two?

                      With regards to the former, yes the drawing in the S&L catalog was most certainly the Schwerin badge just as the Minesweeper and Destroyer badges were also the Schwerin designs in that catalog. Given the long main pin it's probably the unmarked Type 5 badge but with the eagle's head slimmed up by the artist which makes it resemble the early marked Schwerins. And it still remains a distinct (if unproven) possibility that S&L amongst others marketed the Schwerin U-Boat badges prior to coming up with their own designs.

                      S&L's own design as we now know it is obviously inspired by the Schwerin aesthetic. Here are a few links to threads on the S&L U-Boat in Tombak and in zinc.

                      Best regards,
                      ---Norm
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                      Last edited by Norm F; 05-18-2012, 07:21 PM.

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                        #12
                        A couple of other new discoveries in 2011 were:

                        1) The Meybauer zinc Minesweeper (and other Meybauers along with it)

                        2) The Juncker Destroyer in both Tombak and zinc.

                        3) The Deumer zinc Destroyer.

                        Best regards,
                        ---Norm
                        Last edited by Norm F; 05-18-2012, 07:33 PM.

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                          #13
                          Would it be possible to start a pinned thread on new discoveries or conclusions about KM badges starting in 2011 and moving forward so that this information can be found in one place? Perhaps criteria for inclusion would be unanimous agreement from our top 5 KM badge experts here (or a unanimous failure to disagree?). The information presented here is excellent. Any thoughts?
                          JAndrew

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                            #14
                            This thread is already pinned at the top under useful threads. There are so many aspects to just this one area of KM warbadges, it is impossible to pin each separately.

                            John

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                              #15
                              I call it conclusions in the last year since I try to update it once a year so it is always rolling forward. John

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