Zinc Daisy PAB with early IC pin

[IR 529]

Hi,
has anybody see a badge like this before ? it´s a zinc Daisy with a uncommon thick silver finish, the pin version you can find normally on early IC´s

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[robert60446]

Great Daisy variant Harry! For sure material for Frank’s book. I’m guessing that finish looks more like on my picture. And to answer your question, yes I have seen Daisy with thick finish like this (in semi solid version). One more time congratulations! Now if you could only find EK’s maker with hardware like this we would finally get answer to question who was Daisy maker…...Too bad EK guys still didn't do it their homework...

[IR 529]

Hello Robert,
thanks for editing my picture, now it looks more like the real tone.

Someone know other badges with this type of pin ?

[Hans N]

This is the EK 1 class your thinking of i beleave. These are said to be so called replacement EK´s made in the 20´s (if my memory serves me right)
To my knowledge these types crosses comes unmarked.

We can´t name a maker of ONE Daisy with this type of reverse hardware, however we can keep it in mind for the future.

[Frank Heukemes]

These are said to be so called replacement EK******180;s made in the 20******180;s (if my memory serves me right)
To my knowledge these types crosses comes unmarked.

Yes, but there are also 1939 Schinkel EK1s with this setup.

[greg.hays]

Harry, great variant for sure, first one I have ever seen . As far as the hardware goes I don't think it is really that relevant in terms of maker. This hardware was found on the "Shinkelform" EK, "Round 3" EK and C.E. Juncker made 1914 EKI's with attached clasp. Let me not say "not relevant" because any clue is relevant.........but really I believe most variants are just a matter of the maker using what was avialable at the time...ie shipment of hardware was late...what do I have lying around?

[robert60446]

Yes, but there are also 1939 Schinkel EK1s with this setup.

...and to turn the heat on, here is Schinkel EKII with two numbers, either 66 or 99 on the ring. I tried to get some discussion about it on the crosses forum, but not many people were interested. So maybe here we can get some action in the light of that Daisy PAB...

[Frank Heukemes]

I think it could be rathwer relevant, especially in the light of another clue I have for this maker. EK guys, please chime in if you read this. I think there are theories that this setup could be by Godet or Deschler for the Schinekl 1939 EK1s, is that right?

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Robert,

There are about 4-5 makers of EK2 Schinkels!

[robert60446]

Dear Robert,

There are about 4-5 makers of EK2 Schinkels!

Dear Frank,
Yes, but now at least we can deduct one of them from that group...

[greg.hays]

There are marked examples of Deschler made 6 rivet DKIG's with this exact same hardware.......not a "real" cross guy.

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

Interesting hardware on this PAB!

Some thoughts on the hardware - it has been mentioned that the badge is ZINC, and the use of a catchplate certainly supports this. Hardware comparison with early Round 3 or Schinkel EK1s is maybe not 100% valid as, although the hinge and pin are decent matches, the catch and catchplate are not - aside from the early war EK v's imo mid-war issue PAB in this case. Having said that, the catchplate and especially the tall, thin flatwire catch are good matches for some unsual Wound Badges (an uncommon thin and large type) which I have seen marked for L/60 (Bremer, 1 example in Silver) and L/10 (Deschler, a handful of mainly hollow blacks marked on a needle pin) - search for "L/10 (&/or L/60) wound badge" for examples.

Greg, I don't recall seeing a genuine 6-rivet marked DKiG - do you have a link or pic you could load?

Regards
Mike

PS: I thought the Juncker marked 1914EK1/Spange combos were determiend to be fakes?

[IR 529]

This is the EK 1 class your thinking of i beleave. These are said to be so called replacement EK´s made in the 20´s (if my memory serves me right)
To my knowledge these types crosses comes unmarked.

We can´t name a maker of ONE Daisy with this type of reverse hardware, however we can keep it in mind for the future.

Hello Hans,
I am with you, that one pin makes no maker, it´s only a little link.

IMO the PAB pin is exactly like the pin on "round 3" IC´s here is an example that D. Niemann sold. The top of the base plate is also smaller than the low range.