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    Hilfs-Polizei armband

    Any information on the organization or use of this armband?
    Garth
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    #2
    Well, I've never seen that one before. In fact, I can't recall seeing a Bevo Gendarmerie eagle before. But it looks totally 'right' to me. It would appear to be for police auxiliaries in the countryside - the sort of older men drummed up by the local police to guard POWs working in the fields etc. Very nice.

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      #3
      Well, there it is! Thanks for posting a picture. First time I've seen that variation. Unusual, it does make you think of rural auxiliaries with the use of orange similar to the Gendarmerie. Maybe a predecessor to the Landwacht armband/term use??
      Last edited by Dave Cameron; 07-12-2005, 07:05 AM.
      Interested in the Gendarmerie - Schutzpolizei - Gemeinden - Feuerschutzpolizei - Wasserschutzpolizei - Etc. Looking For Anything Polizei Related!

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        #4
        Garth,

        I am with Robin and Dave in that I have never seen anything like this before either. What does worry me is that I have never seen any German armband, much less a Hilfspolizei one, made in this manner. It has no authentication stamp as would be expected and I see no reason to sew both an eagle and a title on the band instead of simply directly embroider the devices onto the cloth. Very odd and it makes me a bit nervous due to the quality of the embroidery. Where did this come from if I may ask?

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          #5
          This link shows the wide range of armbands worn by similar units in WW1.

          http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?im...lr%3D%26sa%3DG

          You have to surf around the site to see them all.

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            #6
            Originally posted by SCHUPO
            Garth,

            I am with Robin and Dave in that I have never seen anything like this before either. What does worry me is that I have never seen any German armband, much less a Hilfspolizei one, made in this manner. It has no authentication stamp as would be expected and I see no reason to sew both an eagle and a title on the band instead of simply directly embroider the devices onto the cloth. Very odd and it makes me a bit nervous due to the quality of the embroidery. Where did this come from if I may ask?
            In answer to your question of where it came from. I good friend of mine connected me with a lady he works with that was clearing her uncles estate. There was this armband, a couple of common ones (hj and party), a couple of small flags (standard stuff) and a little lot of common cloth insignia. Just the usual GI T.R. trinkets.
            Garth

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              #7
              Although i have never seen this type of armband before I like the look of the eagles construction, the worry would be if anymore turn up. I like it, I want it. If you decide to sell it please let me know.

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                #8
                Not able to post pics here, but I have another one. Been hiding in my closet for a couple of decades, which doesn't mean much. I thought I had shown it to you Dave, but guess not. Dirty now, but a lot of white material and white stiching with no glow. Brassard material hemmed, top, bottom and ends. Then the ends were joined with a second piece of thinner material of about six cm. width that had also been hemmed. By using a bright back light, the black bevo weave of the lettering can be seen, as well as the black thread of the swaz that seems to form a 1.5cm strip from top of wreath to bottom.No stamp evident George, which doesn't bother me later in the war. But orange bevo on white yet! An awful lot of detail work if supposed to be a fabrication that cost me $10. Never could come up with an explanation except what Robin suggested. Will send it to Dave for posting.

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                  #9
                  I really do like the embroidery, like Gary, but it is just so very odd. Joe, I am glad you have one that you have had for some time. It makes me feel better about this one. Garth, I am happy to hear the circumstances of finding it rather than coming from a dealer or ebay or somesuch source. Robin may be correct about the use but I have never seen anything like this in the countryside Gendarmerie. I look forward to Dave posting Joe's photos. I am a normally skeptical person but I do like the looks of this thing.

                  George

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                    #10
                    Sir,

                    I collect police eagles, and yours is really quite amazing.

                    Would it be possible to see a close-up of the eagle.

                    You mention this is machine woven, ie: "BEVO" style. Not to suggest in any way that it is not original, but his eagle appears to be unlike any machine woven police eagle I have ever seen. The common grey, blue, and black backed "BEVO" style are all basically the same pattern. This eagle is very different and I would love to see it closer.

                    Respectfully,
                    William H. Unland

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by W.Unland
                      Sir,

                      I collect police eagles, and yours is really quite amazing.

                      Would it be possible to see a close-up of the eagle.

                      You mention this is machine woven, ie: "BEVO" style. Not to suggest in any way that it is not original, but his eagle appears to be unlike any machine woven police eagle I have ever seen. The common grey, blue, and black backed "BEVO" style are all basically the same pattern. This eagle is very different and I would love to see it closer.

                      Respectfully,
                      William H. Unland
                      Per your request.
                      Garth

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                        #12
                        Here you go Joe! I certainly don't recall seeing this one before or I would have saved the image! Looks to be identical to the first example posted.
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                        Interested in the Gendarmerie - Schutzpolizei - Gemeinden - Feuerschutzpolizei - Wasserschutzpolizei - Etc. Looking For Anything Polizei Related!

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                          #13
                          Thank you most sincerely for the close up of the eagle.

                          Yes, both eagles seem to be the same. It is quite impressive and looks perfectly period to my modestly experienced eye. I must admit I have never seen anything like it, but the quality and construction look right on. I particularly note the " upsidedown triangular" shape of the body, which is very,very unusual. The overall design though is far superior to the common machine woven eagles seen on the market.

                          I find it very interesting that an unknown firm produced a pattern, no small job in the pre-computer days, to produce this eagle for such a small number of people. Machine embroidered can be one off, but machine woven, is usually reserved for the mass produced items.

                          Again most impressive, and I would be happy to get on the list of potential buyers should you decide to sell.

                          Best regards,
                          William H. Unland
                          Last edited by W.Unland; 07-12-2005, 11:33 PM.

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                            #14
                            The eagle on mine has bleached out quite a bit by light. The two brassards are almost identical, save for the location of the strip with the black text above the eagle. Again, the point that astounds me is the bevo eagle orange on white. It had to be made for this brassard.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Garth Thompson
                              Per your request.
                              Garth
                              That eagle is a thing of beauty.

                              No doubt that it is 110% original.

                              These must be among the rarest police insignia ever.

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