Opinions on "4" marked 1957 EK2 Please!

[Nigel N]

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[Leroy]

Very nice EKII's made by S&L from its remaining stocks of wartime frames and rings!

[Seewolf]

Yes, it looks like a silver wash - is the medal magnetic or zinc ?

[Nigel N]

Yes, it looks like a silver wash - is the medal magnetic or zinc ?

hi Rudiger, both medals are non-magnetic! -Nigel

[DavidM]

Hello

Trevor, a super, very early S&L new form EK2 - a great find

Nigel, as above for your S&L EK2, and great medal bar as well

Regards
David

[streptile]

Hello Trevor, a super, very early S&L new form EK2 - a great find
Regards
David

Thanks, David. I'm very excited about getting this one, especially with all the positive comments. The condition looks just ridiculously good... which is funny, as I usually try to find worn examples of EKs. I like 'em "used, but not abused."

One question: were Deumer and S&L the only two officially licensed jewelers making 57er EK1 and EK2s? Or are there more to be found?

~Trevor

[Nigel N]

hi Trevor, theres a few more makers, inc. Assmann, Deschler & Souval!! good hunting!! -Nigel

[streptile]

...a few more makers, inc. Assmann, Deschler & Souval!!

Thanks Nigel.

Are these makers ever to be found ring-marked? Or EK1s reverse-marked like Deumers?

[Nigel N]

Thanks Nigel.

Are these makers ever to be found ring-marked? Or EK1s reverse-marked like Deumers?

i've only seen "3" & "4" MM's on 57EK2's, perhaps some of the other guys have seen others, Assmann marked their EK1's on the reverse with their stylised "A" -Nigel

[streptile]

Thanks again, Nigel, and everyone for their opinions + comments.

~TR

[Matthieu]

Hi guys, I'm just wondering .... has anyone checked the 1957 frame against the wartime frame ?
IF these S&L frames are identical, can we then assume that several wartime S&L EK2's could actually be made postwar ????
Same question of course then for Deumer crosses ( both EK1 & EK2 ). We have crosses marked "3" and "L/11" ...

[Nigel N]

Hi guys, I'm just wondering .... has anyone checked the 1957 frame against the wartime frame ?
IF these S&L frames are identical, can we then assume that several wartime S&L EK2's could actually be made postwar ????
Same question of course then for Deumer crosses ( both EK1 & EK2 ). We have crosses marked "3" and "L/11" ...

hi Mathys, the earliest 57 EK's certainly used leftover wartime parts (frames/ pins hinges etc.) coupled to the new form core! but as for using the "swastika" core after 1945.......lets hope not!!!! -Nigel

[Seewolf]

Hi guys, I'm just wondering .... has anyone checked the 1957 frame against the wartime frame ?
IF these S&L frames are identical, can we then assume that several wartime S&L EK2's could actually be made postwar ????
Same question of course then for Deumer crosses ( both EK1 & EK2 ). We have crosses marked "3" and "L/11" ...

That´s why i would never put a S&L or a Deumer wartime EK into my
collection

[Nigel N]

Souval just seemed to carry on making their third reich awards!! dont know what the other makers did -Nigel

[streptile]

That´s why i would never put a S&L or a Deumer wartime EK into my
collection

Wow, that's a very restrictive standard.

I wouldn't doubt S&L or Deumer made swastika '39s after the war, but the main point for me is: if they did, there's no way (that I know of) to distinguish wartime production from immediate postwar production. Since prices are pretty reasonable (under $100 usually) for one of these crosses, why not buy one and hope it's a wartime manufactured example?

I'm still looking for a swastika '39 "L/11" marked EK2 if anyone has one to sell .

~TR