NAZI Oktoberfest

[W.Unland]

Thanks,

Unfortunately the trachten, Lederhosen, etc worn at the Oktoberfest now is mostly made in China junk, not unlike our colletables

The "real" thing is very expensive. The peacock quill ranzen (belt) can run 5-6K, hosentraeger (suspenders) 1-2K, deer skin Lederhose 2K, and a gamsbart (mountain goat hair "bush") another 1-2K. The Joppe (jacket) adds 5-800 and when it's all over you could have had a police general's tunic!

It's the same here in Japan. As the culture dies, the traditional arts become more and more expensive as demand goes down. A decent kimono can cost 10K!!!!!!!

Bill U

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Thanks,



The "real" thing is very expensive. The peacock quill ranzen (belt) can run 5-6K, hosentraeger (suspenders) 1-2K, deer skin Lederhose 2K, and a gamsbart (mountain goat hair "bush") another 1-2K. The Joppe (jacket) adds 5-800 and when it's all over you could have had a police general's tunic!

Bill U

Gruess Gott!! I did not know it was so expensive to be a fashionable traditional Bayerische. I will stick with the less expenisive TR Polizei collectables.

Rgds,

Marcus

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Bavarian Oktoberfest Customs

Bavarian Oktoberfest Customs

Great Photo Bill(!) You are in the right spirit at the Yokohama Oktoberfest (although I
had no idea that they celebrated the occasion. Hopefully with German Beer & not with Kirin
or Sapporo - to help wash down the white radishes & bread!)

Socks? or Sock-less? ... Since I am not up to date with Oktoberfest Customs, your Socks -
or No Socks throw me for a loop! (Or is this a new skin tight 'see through' model of the
proper Bavarian costume?) ..... Dave/dblmed

[W.Unland]

Dave,

Those are called Loferl. And YES they are supposed to be like that.

The story goes that in the old days Bavarians were so poor they didn't wear shoes (wooden shoes in the winter), so for modesty when attending church they wore leg coverings that went from the knee to the foot but were footless to facilitate walking without shoes.

Now of course that is not the case and these are worn just for tradition, with the addition of a foot section in some cases. They are much shorter now, for "style" than originally used as can be seen in the photo below. She is NOT wearing pants but "proper" length Loferl. Men and women wore them. Now only men.

Each village or town has their own design. My tracht is Berchtesgadener.

Bill U

[Bcarver]

I noticed in an earlier post it was said that 1935 was the only year the NS gov sponsered/participated in Ofest. Is that correct? Did they not allow this after 1935? As a sidenote, my tante was from Nurnburg and boy did she ever hate being called German, but at the same time she was an ardent NS. It seems the old Germans.(.oopps) really felt loyal to their regions. Makes you wonder how the country stayed together like it did and almost won 2 world wars.

[W.Unland]

It's not only the "old" Germans. The Bavarians still do not want to be associated with the Prussians, and I believe it to be mutual. I was at the Mercedes Benz supported restaurant in Tokyo (what an expensive experience....$10 for a 350ml beer!!!!!!and frankly 350ml doesn't even wet the lips as it were) when the waitress told me that she didn't like Bavarians much, that they were too "pig-headed" and "old fashioned", and she was a girl in her 20's from N. Prussia. Since I took that as a compliment to the Bayerische I told her that I thought those were good qualities lacking in other regions...........we weren't the best of fiends after that.

Anyway, from the Munchen History Museum publication on the subject, 1935 was the last "sanctioned" Oktoberfest, although they certainly continued through the war years. I believe this "sanction" was limited to government sponsorship only. The NS period is pretty much glossed over in the book. The current government likes to pretend history stopped during that period....at least officially. The 1935 event was used for propaganda as it was the 125th anniversary.

W.Unland

[Bcarver]

Thanks for clearing that up. I thought I remembered a friend of my tante who was BDM talking about taking a train to Munchen in 1938 for Ofest. She talked like it was a modern day night club, drinking till the wee hours, dancing, flirting, and getting back on the train the next day and still being buzzed. Ofest seems like it was a huge party even during the NS period. I will never understand the German attitude of regional rift, I suppose it's the same here in the US with the north vs south, some are still fighting the civil war in their minds.

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Bayern has been called by some, "The Texas of Germany" because of their down home manner, independence and rustic spirit, not sure what the Bavarians think of this comparison though.

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Original SA Hochland shorts

A little bit off topic but I take advantage to show here a pair of original SA Hochland shorts as well as a pair of NSFK/NSKK ones (available) :
erelmilitaria@gmail.com

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[W.Unland]

Those are really very cool. I have never seen shorts cut like traditional lederhosen but in HJ brown wool instead of leather!

Thanks for posting.

W.Unland

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and the NSKK ones...

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