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**oldflagswanted** · 02-01-2020, 09:31 AM

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Originally posted by 509thPIB View Post

Here's a classic example with the clips and chain stitching. https://www.lux-military-antiques.co...nt-flag-10.htm

Very nice BDM/JM pennant flag. Scarce double-sided example, this one still retains remnants of its paper tag on the lower corner. All three nickel plated pole mounting clips are present. Base material is a fine cotton done in multi piece construction. Nice unit and district number is chain stitched in white thread. Pennant belongs to the City of Worms JM-Madelgruppe 45. Condition is mint, never issued piece. Rare to see two pennants from the same city (118). 545,00€ tax inc.

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**oldflagswanted** · 02-01-2020, 09:48 AM

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Originally posted by 509thPIB View Post

This example has the wolfsangle and clips, but no designator. http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/flags-...pickup-264805/

Collector 2013 purchase for $325

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**oldflagswanted** · 02-01-2020, 10:07 AM

Another fake ...

Originally posted by ValhallaMilitaria View Post

... The flag shown in these photos that is lacking
the spring clips and chain stitching is a fake? damn, ...
--- Thanks for an interesting thread.
Eric

... as seen sold elsewhere online.
OFW

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**helmuthunter** · 02-01-2020, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by ValhallaMilitaria View Post

Again, thanks for the lesson. Very good info and now I know. It would be easy to make the mistake that was made here. Someone should let Tom know about his pieces.

Absolutely. I will do that. The proof is right in front of us here. The light is on. I was wrong. I was wrong. I was wrong. But I learn. Johnno.,

**oldflagswanted** · 02-01-2020, 05:49 PM

spring clips ...

Originally posted by helmuthunter View Post

... they have not been able to replicate. ... the spring clips
on it to attatch the pennant?? Never. They can’t replicate
or fake the spring clips, ... keys to opening our eyes...
Johnno.,

Johnno:
... examples with comments.
OFW

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**helmuthunter** · 02-01-2020, 09:41 PM

Thanks very much Ben. Yes indeed the 2 known types of attatchment clips on the pennants. The fakers can’t source those type of clips used hence the rings being used. That would mean the attatchment poles would have clips fitted not rings. These rings and the non chain stitching are the keys to identifying these fake pennants. Johnno.

**helmuthunter** · 02-01-2020, 10:28 PM

Another one of my HJ pennants. A very rare Landjahr pennant with correct attatchment clips and correct chain stitched landjahr designation...Johnno.

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**Cracked** · 02-08-2020, 07:17 AM

The Hitler Youth Forum has a number of examples of authentic, non-standard flags and pennants and so I wouldn't be so quick to write the example in post 1 off. There were reorganisations of units going on into 1944/5 and these all required a flag or pennant despite material shortages etc so I think we are bound to see period items that don't match the RZM textbook version. Those registered on the HJ forum can see a period photo showing a good example of a BDM pennant with non-standard stitching here:

Period photo of a late BdM pennant with non-standard stitching

**Cracked** · 02-08-2020, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by 509thPIB View Post

Is there a list somewhere which identifies the communities with the unit designator on the pennants?

Yes, the Hitler Youth Forum has a long-term project to collate these unit numbers and match them to a location. Here's the page:

List of Hitler Youth Units below Bann/Reichsbann

**Cracked** · 02-12-2020, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Cracked View Post

Yes, the Hitler Youth Forum has a long-term project to collate these unit numbers and match them to a location. Here's the page:

List of Hitler Youth Units below Bann/Reichsbann

Sorry, that was the wrong link. Here's the correct one:

List of Hitler Youth Units below Bann/Reichsbann

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