U-Boat Meissen Plates

[Norm F]

Another wrinkle - unless I’m missing something - it’s Jenisch, not Fenisch. But I agree that the plate certainly seems to spell out the latter. Unless it’s some sort of stylized J that I’m just not familiar with.

Thanks very much for that correction. I'll change it in the previous post.

Kapitänleutnant Hans Jenisch (19 October 1913 – 29 April 1982), Knights Cross 7 Oct 1940.

In 1941, Hitler abolished older scripts in favour of Deutsche Normalschrift, which I can only suppose took a while to standardize in the early days?

When you look at this comparison, the "J" in Jenisch looks like a hybrid between the "F" and "J" in Deutsche Normalschrift, incorporating the mid-height horizontal stroke of the "F", but the top stroke on the "J" doesn't cross the midline like on the "F".

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Actually, when you compare the Folkers and the Jenisch plates, both the "F" and the "J" have a loop below below the baseline which is confusing, but the horizontal stroke at the top of the "F" extends farther on the right.

[Brian S]

Do they properly exist with the two badges painted on in Gold?


Norm, Meissen had/has many artists. You will find plates with variance to the artist's hand. You cannot in my opinion determine anything from the script. Unless of course they make an unforgivable error in common lettering.


I would be curious of exact dimensions. That should not vary.

[Norm F]

Do they properly exist with the two badges painted on in Gold?

Not that we've ever seen posted so far. Why, have you seen one like that?

Best regards,
---Norm

[Brian S]

Had to search...

[Norm F]

Hi Brian,

Thanks for posting those images. Certainly the graphics look more primitive and 2 dimensional than on the "traditional" plate.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Brian S]

I think these are faked...

[kfs]

Hello

Robert Gysae have awarded a meissen plate too.
His Wife says this , but i didnt have a Photo from the plate.

And i dont know where it is now

kfs

[TorpedoLos]

Actually, when you compare the Folkers and the Jenisch plates, both the "F" and the "J" have a loop below below the baseline which is confusing, but the horizontal stroke at the top of the "F" extends farther on the right.

Very interesting - Good detective work, Norm. I always learn so much from you guys! I gotta say, it still looks like Fenisch to my untrained eye.

[Brian H]

Meissen

Father and son pair. Admiral Otto Schultze (U-boat PLM recipient WW1) and his son Heinz Otto Schultze (RK - WW2 - KIA).

[Brian H]

Meissen

Korvettenkapitän Eitel-Friedrich Kentrat. (RK)

[Norm F]

Father and son pair. Admiral Otto Schultze (U-boat PLM recipient WW1) and his son Heinz Otto Schultze (RK - WW2 - KIA).

Wow, you got both. Both seen earlier in this thread but it’s great to see them re-united.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

With Brian H's addition, here's the updated running tally of seventeen Meissen Traditionsverband U-Boote plates that have been posted or mentioned to date:

Admiral Bauer
Kapitänleutnant Cremer
Kapitänleutnant Folkers
Korvettenkapitän Gysae (mentioned but no images)
Kapitänleutnant Jenisch
Korvettenkapitän Kentrat
Kapitänleutnant Kuppisch
Korvettenkapitän Merten
Kapitänleutnant Müller-Stöckheim
Korvettenkapitän Piening
Kapitänleutnant Schonder
Kapitänleutnant Schneider
Kapitänleutnant Schultze
Generaladmiral Schultze
Kapitänleutnant Trojer
Kapitänleutnant Helmuth [sic] Witte
Kapitänleutnant Würdemann

[Stan]

Here's No. 18:

Awarded to Korvettenkapitaen Schuhart.

Being auctioned later this month by Ratisbons.


Stan

[Stan]

Nos. 19 & 20.

Two more plates which I found in an old Hermann Historica 1998 auction catalogue.

Henke was captain of U-515 which was sunk by US aircraft. He was captured and interned in a US POW camp and died on 15.6.1944 after being shot whilst attempting to escape.

Staats was captain of U-508 and died on 12.11.1943 after his U-Boat was sunk by US aircraft.

Stan