Equipment painted RAL 7028 how many different shades exist ?

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Thank you Heat242,

your contribution is a real help. What you have shared with us about "P Paints" & "W Paints" in post number 30 is something I did not know and adds a new dimension to this thread.

Here is a reference I have been working from which I translated from a German source;




"Product information:


There are basically 3 different variants of color RAL 7028th
These are distinguished by the use periods.

We offer you the 2 main variants of RAL 7028 from the Farbtonbregister 840R to:

RAL 7028 dark yellow
RAL 7028 dark yellow edition 1944 (identical Dunkelgelb I)


The color RAL 7028 was changed over the years of the war several times.

* The original unit color for agricultural machinery RAL 7028 dark yellow I According to our research found no application in the Reichswehr and Wehrmacht.
It is, however, be safely assumed that this color was tested.

* RAL 7028 dark yellow edition in 1944 was produced in October 1944 and used on vehicles and equipment.
The color corresponds to the RAL 7028 dark yellow I from the 30s and appears darker than RAL 7028 dark yellow and brownish yellow to dark as a pattern, almost ocher.


* 1943 1943 No Communication with the Army. 181 of February 1943, a new bright colors paint for motor vehicles and artillery of the army after extensive testing phase (First inserts are occupied at the beginning of 1942) enacted and therefore officially introduced. It was here, however, is the second version of the RAL 7028, RAL 7028 called dark yellow to pattern.
This color was much lighter than yellow and dark yellow and I was not included in the RAL color chart.

* In March 1943, the dark yellow was changed again to model.
The new color called simply just RAL 7028 dark yellow and until late summer / fall of 1944 when repainting in use.
It is slightly darker and less yellow than yellow to dark pattern, has a very light rust down.
Denecke speaks of Tan III, the historically correct name is simply RAL 7028 dark yellow.



For the collector, this means concretely that the specials here RAL 7028 dark yellow edition 1944 vehicles and materiel to the period of the Reichswehr / Wehrmacht until 1941 (in which the color well for experimental purposes,
was used) and from October 1944 (minus a few months earlier as also testing phase!) to represent to the end of the war, can be applied.

The RAL 7028 dark yellow should come on vehicles and objects manufactured between March 1943 and October 1944 are used.
Certainly, several manufacturers had also after October 1944, stocks of these color so that this color may show even situations until the war ended.

Packages considered there was the dark yellow I, also known as Dark Yellow 1944 throughout the war.
According Heereswaffenamt the color was indeed used only during the periods mentioned above, in reality, that is with the troops, however, was certainly (and just war!) Used each of the 3 available dark yellow.
For the simple soldiers with little understanding of color theory, but with the gun in hand, it was there in the repair companies do not always apparent that Amber just in the paint bucket he now had to go.

Alone on the raw material color tolerances of that manufacturer can fall into a fiasco penibelste the color research.




Officially came RAL 7028 dark yellow only with the HM no. 181 in the 1943rd
In the Army Communication 1943 no. 181 of February 1943, a new bright colors paint for motor vehicles and artillery of the army is prescribed.

Based on these Tarnlackierung is the dark-beige RAL 7028 "dark yellow to pattern".
This dark yellow to pattern is slightly lighter than the dark yellow I.

The aufzumalenden spots consisted of 2 colors, RAL 8017 "Russet no. 19", and RAL 6003 "Olive", and were depending on the season, weather conditions, and applied use of space in an appropriate amount.
So in the summer propagated olive stains were used: in autumn was more reddish brown used.

Most vehicles have factory in dark yellow painted, only to be painted on site with the appropriate Tarnflecken.
On many pictures you can see that now also moving parts such as wheels or rims were sprayed with Tarnflecken.
By spraying is smooth transitions were.


In the early days after the introduction of the new chromatic colors painting were propagated vehicles were painted in RAL 7021, dark gray no. 46, just painted over with dark yellow spots, so that hired a desired camouflage effect here.


The first use on a large scale experienced the new chromatic colors paint the Company "Citadel" in the deployed there types of tanks III / IV / V / VI.
Also, vehicles and equipment were provided which were delivered to Africa from February 1943 uniformly dark-yellow color.

The Amber changed, but not the camouflage colors RAL 6003 and RAL additionally used 8017th



Since it was the new unit in color RAL 7028, much of the equipment were painted with this color also gradually.

So contributed, among other things:

* Jerrycans
* Caissons
* Equipment boxes
* Bazookas
* Pots and Pans
* Canteen cup



this color.
RAL 7028 removed from the register at the end of WW2."

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More examples of RAL 7028 types from the translated German source in post number 31.

On the viewers left "RAL 7028 dark yellow" and on the viewers right "RAL 7028 Dunkelbgelb edition 1944",

Chris

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Hi Chris
When it comes to paint I think there is too many factors in the supply chain
from manufacturer to end user. I know that manufacturer A's interpretation of a specific colour will be different than manufacturer B's it maybe highly noticeable all not at all Feldgrau seems to cover anything from lighter greys to dark greenish colours. I think that tropical colours would be no different.

Interesting point Paul, and worth noting.

Here is some of what Bruce Culver added about this;

"As early as the summer of 1944, the German RLM had to write to the German paint manufacturers to thank them for trying to continue matching the official color chips in the face of materials shortages and changes in specs, and asked them to do the best that they could in the future. What so many collectors do NOT understand is that the official color standard for a paint might not change, but the paints actually produced under wartime shortages might in fact be different from the official standard. The OFFICIAL specification fr the Luftwaffe interior color RLM 66 (dark gray) changed no fewer than 11 times during the course of the war, and the final official shade was different from the one at the beginning of the war. You must separate the color standard from what was actually used by the troops.

This is interesting to us because the actual color shade for RLM 66 was identical to RAL 7021, Panzer Gray - it was actually the same paint, allowing for differences in chamical composition fornuse on vehicles and aircraft.....happy.gif When Aberdeen Proving Ground went to make up their own sample of RAL 7028 Dark Yellow, they took scrapings from the hull bottom plates of a dozen different vehicles, had them all spectrographically matched, and chose one "middle of the road" sample as their "official" APG Dark Yellow for future reference. Regrettably, the official samples were lost during the 1960s moves fomr the original museum buildings to temporary quarters, and the current "official" APG Dark Yellow is from a sample they found inside a sight box on one of their 8.8cm AT guns. The box had never been opened and the paint was in pristine condition, but did it in fact fall inside the range of the original color study done in the 1940s? No one really knows for sure. It doesn't matter, because the normal range of variations in different paint batches, and the effects of weathering, will alter the color enough that NO ONE can say truthfully, "THIS is the ONLY correct shade of XXXXX", period..... "



Another interesting find about tropical colours is what Mr. Chory states that the Genormte Anstriche, on page 66 of his book, was published between the spring of 1942 and 1943 because it already lists colors which were destined for units in Africa, specified in 1942. He also goes on to point out that colors were changed/deleted from the previous list of approved colors,

Chris

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Shades => countless - official tones => 2!

Hello,

let me try to help you. The truth is, that there were countless shades of dunkelgelb due to different manufacturers, users and weathering situations but only 2 official tones were registered at the RAL 840 R Farbtonregister. The first dunkelgelb RAL 7028 was registered in march 1943, the second in october 1944 (RAL 7028 Ausgabe 1944) with the same number.


RAL 7028 (of 1943) with no doubt f.e.:










RAL 7028 Ausgabe 1944 was more grey/green (darker):




Another problem is that they used many more RAL colors like the "Afrika-Colors" RAL 8000/7008 + RAL 7027/8020, even RAL 1001/1002 too for inside or primer. Especially RAL 7027 is believed, often wrongly, to be RAL 7028. But RAL 7027 was much more greener than RAL 7028.

Best wishes!
Jens

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Ral 840 b/b-2/r

Is there anybody who can give me a scan or pdf of the above colour charts, I am modelling some early war equipment and need to lookup and clarify these colours for myself.

Much appreciated for any help received.

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William
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