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    Would anyone be so kind as to give me their opinions on this Wittmann document? I believe the feldpost number is valid and the contents of the message seem valid given that Wittmann had just visited Henschel a few days earlier. I am no expert but the signature seems acceptable to me after comparing it to other examples I found online. I was hoping I could get the opinion of the document as a whole and of the signature from those more knowledgeable than me.
    Thank you,
    Alan Hamby


    #2
    I have been able to verify that there was an engineer at Henschel named Robert A. Pertuss. There are some quotes from him in the book "Tiger I and Sturmtiger in Detail" by Uwe Feist and Bruce Culver. Of course if the document was faked they could easily have gotten the name from the book. There is also a photo of Wittmann with Herr Pertuss here: http://www.wehrmachtlexikon.de/archi...ebc826525a369b

    Here is a closeup of the signature.



    I would be grateful for any opinions.
    Alan
    Last edited by mailalan; 01-02-2014, 06:09 PM.

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      #3
      You can find a lot of fake examples here in the forum. But yours seems to be a good one. I would like to hear any other opinions as well.
      But some of our exoerts are on vacation at the moment.

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        #4
        I don´t want comment the signature or the text of the letter - it must assess "Wittmann" experts.
        But it seems to me very strange the printed letter heading - IMHO a glaring combination of German "Blockschrift" letter font and the big first "latin" letters (Initials).
        Just my opinion…
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          #5
          Of everything on the document the letterhead is what is making me the most hesitant. I've compared the signature to every example I could find on the forum and I feel fairly okay about it. Some that are fluent in German have told me the writing style appears valid for the time period. The feldpost number appears correct. But I did find the letterhead strange. I have read that by this time Wittmann was very famous and sought after so I can believe that he would have his own letterhead. I just wish there were some other examples of it.

          Here are some better closeups of the signature:





          I am really torn but would never forgive myself if I pass it up and it turned out to be genuine.

          Alan

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            #6
            Originally posted by mailalan View Post


            Now when I looking at the signature, i can´t see the common flowing lines as in normal signatures - it´s very strange IMHO.
            Note also the handwritting error in the surname - the letter "a" in word "Wittmann" has a stretching which do not belong there.
            Oddly to make a mistake in his own signature...

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              #7
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              I did notice the "a" in Wittman having that error. But I myself have made sloppy errors when signing my own name in a hurry. But once you start making excuses for the inconsistencies in a document it starts to become more and more suspect.

              This is definitely one for the Wittmann experts. I just don't know how I feel about the document yet and whether to pass on it or if that would be a mistake.

              Alan

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                Never seen his signature with 'breaks' in it, almost too deliberate attempt at creating a signature. Also, I assume you are spending serious $ on this item. Know your seller, negotiate an inspection period. Then have a forensic ink specialist examine the specimen. YOU DONT WANT TO GET BURNED. THESE ITEMS ARE RIFE WITH FORGERIES!

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                  #9
                  Not claiming to be an expert but the paper "looks" older then the typed letters
                  looks like an old document freshly printed. Again that is my observation only and I am not an expert.

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                    #10
                    that's a good point-

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                      #11
                      Not a Wittman expert by any means, but that first stroke down on the last name is a bit concerning. Normally someone signs a downward stoke in a fast smooth motion. That one seems a little slow and uneasy.
                      Then again, it may be perfect. Could have been playing on another stack of papers, pen slipped, etc. Just thinking out loud .

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                        #12
                        What are the odds of a Junior Officer fighting on the Eastern Front of having his own printed letterhead?

                        "(...) Obersturmführer in a Panzer-Unit of the LSSAH" ???

                        Please.....

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by markus View Post
                          What are the odds of a Junior Officer fighting on the Eastern Front of having his own printed letterhead?

                          "(...) Obersturmführer in a Panzer-Unit of the LSSAH" ???

                          Please.....
                          My thoughts as well Markus , yes Wittmann was relatively well known but a Junior grade Officer even a RL /EL Winner having such letterheaded paper ??

                          Any other examples of such a thing ?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by markus View Post
                            What are the odds of a Junior Officer fighting on the Eastern Front of having his own printed letterhead?

                            "(...) Obersturmführer in a Panzer-Unit of the LSSAH" ???

                            Please.....

                            I agree completely, a very casual way of describing which unit he belongs to.
                            Almost unthinkable for a german officer in my opinion.

                            Hans Kristian

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                              #15
                              This is the wording used in the honor lists announcing the award of the RK or DK.

                              Somebody just took this German wording and integrated it/fabricated a letterhead.

                              At least this example shown here serves as a sample of a FAKE Wittmann signature.

                              Markus

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