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    Unknown Imperial visor cap.......Opinions?

    This cap was sold some minutes ago in an auction. The seller wrote, it is a reserve cavalry cap. I think the cap is not a military cavalry cap of an Imperial German regiment, and the reserve Kokarde was added on the top. I saw some other similar caps, sometimes with other colours (the rest parts of those caps were similar like on this cap).

    What kind of cap is it? The cap looks made like a typical German military cap (but with unusual colour combination). Who wore such caps? One possibility, members of military vet organizations?

    I would like to hear some opinions!
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    Last edited by Sergeant 08; 01-04-2009, 02:43 PM.
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          Here is a compareable cap! Again not a typical colour combination of a German Imperial regiment (but the piping colours white and yellow were used by a lot of Imperial cavalry regiments Husaren etc.).
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            That cap was made in Einbeck (a town in the Prussia province Hannover near Braunschweig). It has Prussia officer Kokarden and a Brunswick tradition skull (It looks like nice skull, I have a similar Imperial cap skull in my collection). The other cap materials look ok to me, too.
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              The town of Einbeck is near Braunschweig, it has a nice Imperial type of tradition skull between the Kokarden and a black top with yellow piping (similar like the Braunschweig Husaren Regiment 17)
              Last edited by Sergeant 08; 01-06-2009, 07:11 AM.

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                Question again! What kind of cap? Imperial vet organization? Cavalry vets?

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                  No thoughts?

                  Ok,

                  nobody know something about such caps,
                  or nobody want discuss about those caps,
                  or possibility #3 nobody has an opinion!?

                  Very unusual....

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                    I'm afraid I don't know enough about these caps to make any comment. I always use Kaiser's Bunker as my source for information about caps, http://www.kaisersbunker.com/ht/index.htm. Tony has illustrations of every German army visor cap and there's none that match the one you're asking about.

                    It would be a guess on my part, but I don't think the Prussian reservist cockade belongs on the top part of the cap. I think this is some type of civil uniform cap and should only have the Prussian cockade on the lower cap band, but that is just a guess on my part.

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                      #11
                      In Imperial Germany, everyone wore a visor cap. Rat inspector, ladder-maker, lamp-lighter, you name it. These show up on the market all the time being sold as German Army when they are not. There is one important rule to remember about Imperial military caps: The color of all three levels of piping is always the same. A few Husaren Regt had an extra row of piping above the band, but the rule still applies. Usually, the piping and band are the same color, but even for the few arms that utilized a different color of band from the piping like Jäger zu Pferde, Husaren, Beamte, and those that wore black bands w/ red piping (Verkehrstruppen, pioneer, artillery etc) the three layers of piping always matches. There is only one regiment in the German army that did not have piping along the lower band: Ulanen Regt Nr. 16. However, even with this unit the top piping and the piping on the top of the band match. There is NO military unit where the piping is two different colors. This is always a sign that the cap is civilian.

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                        That those caps are not caps of Imperial military regiments is, what I know. What I don't know is, what kind of caps they are? I'm sure civilian caps! But I don't know a civilian Imperial cap with such colours (not Police etc.). All I wanted to say is, those caps (that I posted) are full of colours that Imperial regiments used, too. I don't know the civilian use of the caps, but I think they have a chance to be caps of military veterans organizations (local veterans = Kriegervereine for example "Ehemalige Kavalleriesoldaten", "Atilleriesoldaten" etc.).

                        I know nothing about military veteran organization caps, but it is sure that veterans were not allowed to wear the same colour combinations like soldiers of military regiments. But in my opinion veterans were interested to wear similar looking caps like active soldiers (with similar colours). Only some of my thoughts....

                        Because nobody knows the exact use of those caps, we will not find a final answer
                        Last edited by Sergeant 08; 01-08-2009, 10:48 AM.

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                          Kriegerverein / Landwehrverein

                          Here are some photos that show members (veterans) of Krieger- and Landwehrvereine pre and after ww1
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