Jersey Barracks Token

[astrelick]

Hello All:
Not sure if this item fits but it seems the only logical place to get some comments. My initial research indicates that this token was for use in the Jersey Islands. The inscription reads: SOLDATENHEIM ST. HELIER UND St. BRELADES, 25 RM. Inside the shield is an eagle riding a bolt of lightning diving on some islands (England?) Is this an SS item? The 25 RM seems high for a token. Note that the color is not copper, but more of a zinc color. Since I bought this for resale, what is a reasonable price to put on it? Any additional information is appreciated.

[Bill Grist]

This is a fantasy item they were produced in Calif. in the early 70s... BILL

[astrelick]

Jersey Barracks Token

Bill:
Thanks. Damn, I really thought that I found something interesting for resale.
Art

[Bill Grist]

Bill:
Thanks. Damn, I really thought that I found something interesting for resale.
Art

Art, sorry but here is the sad news...Channel Islands
occupation 1940-45
Said to have been concocted in California c.1970

<SMALL>References:
McCammon, <CITE>Currencies of the Anglo-Norman Isles</CITE>, p.166, (1984);
McCammon, <CITE>Currencies of the Anglo-Norman Isles ii</CITE>, Supplement, pp.82-83, (1993);
<CITE>Australian Numismatic Journal</CITE>, vol.34, pp.9-14, (1983);
<CITE>Coin News</CITE>, Vol.34, No.8, pp.27-28, (August, 1997);
<CITE>TAMS Journal</CITE> (Token and Medal Society), Vol. 24 No. 2, pp.61-62, (April 1984). </SMALL>
All these pieces are uniface:


<TT> C121CI brass, 27.8mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Jim Cassidy.</SMALL>
<TT> C122J brass, 38.9mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Adrian Butler.</SMALL>
<TT> C123G(i) brass, 27.7×39.5mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Andrew Sound.</SMALL>
<TT> C123G(ii) zinc, 27.7×39.5mm</TT>
<TT> C124G zinc, 32.35mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above 2 images courtesy Henk van den Hombergh.</SMALL>
<TT> C125J brass, 40.9mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Phil Finkle.</SMALL>
<TT> C126J brass, 35.3mm</TT>
<SMALL>Although listed by McCammon as brass, the
piece above is reported to be cast copper.
Image courtesy Wake Forest Coins.
George Rogers, Wake Forest, North Carolina, USA. </SMALL>
<TT> C126J brass, 35.3mm</TT>
<SMALL>The 'T' perforation is not mentioned by
McCammon, so possibly this is a variety.
Above image courtesy Henk van den Hombergh. </SMALL>
<TT> C127J(i) brass, 35.3mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Andrew Sound </SMALL>
<TT> (C127J copper), 35.3mm</TT>
<SMALL>Copper, is not mentioned by McCammon,
so possibly this is a variety.
Above image courtesy Jim Cassidy </SMALL>
<TT> C127J(ii) brass, 35.3mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Warren E Booth </SMALL>
<TT> C128J brass, 35.3mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above image courtesy Michael Freeman </SMALL>
<TT> C129J brass, 35.4mm</TT>
<TT> C130J zinc, 63.45×33.25mm</TT>
<SMALL>The design depicts a bomb bearing the emblem
of the Todt organisation targeting England on
a crude map of Western Europe. </SMALL>
<TT> C132CI zinc, 38.8×64.7mm</TT>
<SMALL>Above 3 images courtesy Andrew Sound.</SMALL> <TT> 'AUSWEIS', similar to piece above</TT>
<SMALL>Unlisted by McCammon</SMALL>
A further 2 pieces are not shown above:


C131CI(i) zinc oblong 38.8×64.7mm 'Todt 5RM'C131CI(ii) zinc oblong 38.8×64.7mm 'Todt 5RM', holes l. & r.</PRE>Please email me if you are able to furnish an image of either of these?
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[Martin W]

Here is one that i have,same as shown above.I was told that this is a fantasy piece produced in the UK during the 70's

Regards,Martin.

[astrelick]

Jersey Barracks Token

Are all o fthe images shown fakes??? Is there a market for these items? Do people collect them?
Art

[Bill Grist]

Are all o fthe images shown fakes??? Is there a market for these items? Do people collect them?
Art

All images shown are fake...I do not jnow if anyone collects them or not...BILL

[fivestring63]

Just curious, you say they're fantasy items and fake?? Were these made up items that never existed or are their real ones out there and what do they look like? I just came across one I didn't know I had.

Thanks

[Adrian Stevenson]

Fake = a copy of a genuine wartime item

Fantasy = a made up item that never existed during the war.

All of the items shown fall into the fantasy catagory.

(Over the years some of the older fantasy items have themselves been copied!)

Cheers, Ade.

[Gunbunny]

Back in 1970 I found one of those with the Nachtjagd insignia in a local antique store and thought I'd really made a score. A few weeks later I went into another antique store and noticed they had a whole barrel full of them! Doh! This was in a town near the Canadian border and I suspect that's where they came from.

[all1knew]

Hello there,

I take it these are fantasy items as well?

William Kramer

[dolchmann07]

tokens

Hello there,

I take it these are fantasy items as well?

William Kramer

Does any one else have a opinion on both of Williams items ???
I would like to know, one thread says the oblong piece is good and another says they are all fakes ??? Jack

[Damien Horn]

Hi,
These are all fantasy, not even copies of an original item/s. They were made in the USA in the late 60's early 70's. No version of these tokens existed here on the Islands during the Occupation, no one here who was here at the time has ever seem them or similar. Unfortunately some people will always say they are the real deal because of age, wear or the like. Ron Wienand is adamant that his example/s is 100% original because it was acquired from a reputable coin dealer in the 60's. Which ever way you look at it, they were made after the war and therefore can never be a true third reich collectable. Fantasy and wishful thinking. Caveat emptor as they say. One day more people will know to keep clear of these things and won't waste time and money on them. There are plenty of articles written on these this so just type in fantasy Channel Island tokens and see what comes up. With the evidence thats out there only the truly blind won't see them for what they are........ rubbish.