From last weekends fleamarket:
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nice find. -congrats!
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I personally feel there are too many recent finds of these ... Who knows ?Comment
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Must be the longest strasse in the world the number of signs up in the last few years.Comment
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There are copies around but every city and town in Germany had an Adolf Hitler Strasse or Adolf Hitler Platz. The streets would have been a main streets or thoroughfares. Each one, depending on the length of the street, could have numerous, if not dozens of signs.
When cities were denazified, all the NS relevant signage would have been taken down and stored for recycling into new signs. I've been at fleamarkets in Germany where someone has found a quantity of old street signs, NS related or otherwise. There's inevitably the corner damage or rust at the mounting holes and back.
Based on the damage and rust on this one, it looks absolutely original. However, comparison to the new versions would be in order.Comment
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the rust and damages (exact) are also te be found with fakes. This is how these fakes are being made.Comment
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This thread shows a repro of a blue enamel Adolf-Hitler-Str sign that was seen at a US show last year. I say "repro" rather than "fake" because it was being sold as new; it was said to be a movie prop from "Valkyrie." I have since seen another. I'm no enamel sign expert, but this thing was very close to examples that I have considered original; it was only that it didn't seem to be quite so convex as originals, and the enamel wasn't quite as thick and substantial, and of course it looked new.
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GregComment
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Why isn't the sign printed thus: "Adolf Hitler Straße" ?
The only original German street sign of that period that I would believe in is above the bar in the 21 Club in NYC. I met the man who brought it back when I had dinner there with my dad in 1965. "Unter der Linden".Comment
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I noted the ss in the strasse rather them the German type also, isn't this incorrect? I speak German but am unsure if it was ever used like thisOriginally posted by JoeW View PostComment
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As I understand it, the use or non-use of the double-S symbol -- ß called the scharfes s -- is mostly a function of the font being used for whatever is being written. Older font styles included unique characters called ligatures which represented the ss, the th, the tz, as well as other characters which eventually fell out of fashion; such characters ceased to be included in more modern font styles. While these ligatures originally indicated pronunciation to some degree, they were generally omitted from modern Roman alphabet fonts. Even the need for the continued use of the umlaut is today in question. The street signs pictured here are probably the result of the prohibition of the old Sütterlin and German Gothic scripts in favor of the modern Roman style throughout Germany in the early 1940s, whereas an earlier version of this sign would have read "Adolf-Hitler-Straße."
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If anybody as original photos of this style in use would be of great help to the thread, I personally have never seen strasse written in this way for Third Reich era signs, SeanComment
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Close ups of the damages and rust (of this 100% original signOriginally posted by paulj View Post
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[QUOTE=Br. James;4732758]
The changing of lettering-type is explained in the book: Wall Plaques and Official Signboards of Hitler's Third Reich (1933-1945) by Saris and Gillain. The book with 460 pages covers political and civil sign-boards, newspaper signs etc.
The pages 389 through 394 show some signs with the name of Hitler. There are many variations known.
Also with the Normalschrift the "Ringel-S" was in use. Since spring 1941 it was the regular type of lettering.
This is what I know and have read!Comment
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Again, no expert I, but apparently these things were made in a wide variety of versions and lettering.
The period photo here was reportedly taken by a Canadian soldier in 1945, but I don't know what city. The blue sign is from the Berlin Haus der Gesichte site.
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GregComment
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Here's a Dietrich Eckart Straße sign from the same show where I bought the brown Adolf Hitler Str sign, and saw the repro (last year).
This Flickr page shows another variety, Adolf Hitler Platz, with white background. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimmyd2008/3175809059/
I would say that it would be very hard to fake the rust bleeding into the white enamel like what we see on the signs shown here.
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GregComment
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