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    KZ camp soldbuch

    Hello all:

    Here is a pretty neat item that I just picked up. I am definately not into Soldbuchs but from what I can gather, this is a fairly interesting one.

    It's from a Luftwaffe NCO who served in a Flak searchlight unit. (There are stamps in the eye-sight page that say he sees good in the dark)

    On August 18, 1944 he transfered to the SS ( reserve SS. pz. ausb. abtl.) Then he transfered into the SS totenkopf wachtbattalion Sachenhausen orainienburg.

    Maybe his transfer to a KZ camp was because of his talent for working with searchlights?

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        #4
        A most interesting and impressive piece of history. Congratulations

        David

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          #5
          He spent the war in Augsburg until 18 August 1944. It's no surprise he was transferred to the Waffen-SS because the Luftwaffe underwent a great "combing out" at that time and many Flak personnel were replaced by women, Flakhelfer, POWs and others so males could be sent to the combat front units. But a young Luftwaffe guy to a KZ guard unit? It doesn't make much sense.

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            #6
            Hi Ken,

            Nice Soldbuch, but I do have some remarks.

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            ".....It's from a Luftwaffe NCO who served in a Flak searchlight unit. (There are stamps in the eye-sight page that say he sees good in the dark)

            On August 18, 1944 he transfered to the SS ( reserve SS. pz. ausb. abtl.) Then he transfered into the SS totenkopf wachtbattalion Sachenhausen orainienburg.

            Maybe his transfer to a KZ camp was because of his talent for working with searchlights?......."
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            Well he didn't see quite as good in the dark as you think, as it says : "ungenügend" = insufficient, so that wasn't good enough.

            He needed glasses, although that says nothing about a good or bad sight in the dark.

            He was tested as Horscher = Listener for the Flak listening apparatus, but was "weniger geeignet", so he was not so suitable for that job either.

            And I really don't think that working with searchlights have something to do with a transfer to a Concentration Camp.

            yours friendly

            Eric-Jan

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              #7
              Originally posted by Eric-Jan Bakker View Post

              And I really don't think that working with searchlights have something to do with a transfer to a Concentration Camp.
              I just sort of equated searchlights with a camp because they use them on "Hogan's heros"....but I guess it's not the same thing.

              So he didn't hear too well and didn't see in the dark too well. No wonder he got booted out of the searchlight unit. I wonder why it took them so long?

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                Originally posted by Ken N View Post
                I just sort of equated searchlights with a camp because they use them on "Hogan's heros"....but I guess it's not the same thing.

                So he didn't hear too well
                Don't know if I should laugh or cry.......

                Concerning his hearing, it doesn't mention hearing problems, it mentions that he wasn't so suitable to be used as a listener on the Flak listening aparatus.

                yours friendly

                Eric-Jan

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Eric-Jan Bakker View Post
                  Don't know if I should laugh or cry.......
                  Eric, I am kidding, really.

                  But I do have a different question. Was the Fuhrer portrait originally put into all Luftwaffe soldbuchs? Or could the portrait have been added to this book because it basically became an SS soldbuch in August 1944?

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                    I have seen it only a couple of times before that a Führer portrait page was glued into a Soldbuch of a man who was transferred from another branch to the SS.
                    Looks if that page was glued into your Soldbuch a long time ago, as the staples did bleed into the Führer page, but even fakers know how to make that.

                    Cover inside says that he was transferred to the Army, not mentioning SS.

                    Only the Ersatztruppenteil for the SS is filled in under C, but not the Truppenteil bzw. Diensstelle under B.

                    Don't know what the Pz.Gren.A.u.E.Btl.4 (not mentioned as Truppenteil/Ersatztruppenteil under B or C on page 4) glued in page is doing there, maybe they tried to make a frontsoldier out of him but was he only suitable as KZ personal.

                    When I first saw your Soldbuch I did have some doubts if it was original, that your man was wartime transferred to the SS or much later after the war by a faker.

                    yours friendly

                    Eric-Jan
                    Last edited by Eric-Jan Bakker; 09-10-2008, 02:16 AM.

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                      #11
                      Basically there was an SS regulation (SS Verordnungsblatt 1944, page 112, item 450) that required a photo of Adolf gluded in to the Soldbuch between the inside cover and 1st page of old books and all new books would have the photo aleady inside (see many of the Hunyadi ones). If you look at many of the SS books, you'll find remnants of a removed photo. As for the entry of the Concentration camp stamp in field D (or field C in this case) of Soldbücher, that was common practice, since it was not a field unit.
                      Jeff

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                        Originally posted by JUNGCO View Post
                        Basically there was an SS regulation (SS Verordnungsblatt 1944, page 112, item 450) that required a photo of Adolf gluded in to the Soldbuch between the inside cover and 1st page of old books and all new books would have the photo aleady inside (see many of the Hunyadi ones). If you look at many of the SS books, you'll find remnants of a removed photo. As for the entry of the Concentration camp stamp in field D (or field C in this case) of Soldbücher, that was common practice, since it was not a field unit.
                        Jeff
                        Thank you Jeff for that most welcome information !!!

                        yours friendly

                        Eric-Jan Bakker

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                          Ken N:

                          This Soldbuch is a legitimate Luftwaffe transfer to the SS KL system, and has not been "enhanced" or "played with" in any way.

                          Congratulations on a nice addition to your collection.

                          "Hundestaffel"

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                            #14
                            A nice piece of history and a well done picture apresentation. Thank you.

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