Siberian Intervention question

[b-m-n_animal]

If a member of the Japanese forces served during the Siberian intervention would he be awarded the ww1 victory medal as well???

asking as I just bought another ID book and it came with both medals (will post photos at a later time).

thanks

Paul

[Nick Komiya]

The answer is yes, as combatants who served in the conflict zone for more than 30 days between Aug 23, 1914 and Jan. 9th 1920 were eligible for the Victory medal. Shown below is the letter from your country's Foreign Secretary Arthur James Balfour to the Japanese Government, which kicked things off for Japan. In Japan, many were initially against awarding medals all over again to the WW1 combatants, so the British idea of leaving eligibility to the medal to be decided by each country found support from Japan. As there was a lot of international back and forth over this medal, there is a big file in the archives that makes very interesting reading.

[Nick Komiya]

Here's some more diplomatic exchanges that you should find interesting

[Nick Komiya]

Naturally the United States had some requests to make, too.

[Nick Komiya]

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[b-m-n_animal]

thanks Nick, that's interesting to read,

it looks like the guy served in the 38th infantry during the period. but i'm still working on the book .

[zachb]

Yes, very interesting. Thanks for posting.

[GeorgeP]

That is interesting, Paul. I am looking forward to what you find out from the booklet.


Tom

[b-m-n_animal]

well . I'm still working on the book but thought I'd post it up anyway for comments, so this is the group and the information I was given from the seller was.

Private Koutarou Hyashi, Imperial Japanese infantry, Born 12th December 1895 in Kyoto. served from 1st Dec 1916, till 30th Nov 1919. entitled to Siberia war medal and ww1 victory medal

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[Nick Komiya]

I don't see any references to medals, but he was in solitary confinement for two days for having lost a mess kit, and wandering around heavily drunk. There were two kinds of solitary confnement. The lighter punishment came with bedding and food, with max confinement limited to 14 days. You got only 50% pay for these days in the slammer. The heavier one came with no bedding, water, rice/wheat mix with some salt being the only food supplied.　Here, the pay was reduced to 20% and the maximum penalty was 3 days, due to its impact on health. In both cases, one was supposed to maintain the posture of Seiza (sitting straight with both legs folded under oneself) from bugel to bugel. He got the heavier punishment in this case. This penalty record is far more interesting than any medal, I think.

[GeorgeP]

That is absolutely fascinating! I can't sit Seiza for 5 seconds let alone the amount his punishment entailed. I would never drink or lose anything again!



Tom

[b-m-n_animal]

Thanks Nick, what photo is that in?

also I notice that the same stamps show up 4 times dated 1917, 1918, 1923 and 1924, (the last two stamps) is this a general stamp for pay? what does it say please.

I'm getting used to dates and if the guy's Infantry / cavalry etc. and the unit information now thanks for all the help on learning these guys.

P

[Nick Komiya]

The stamps you refer to say, 簡閲点呼 (Kanetsutenko) normally an annual call-up of soldiers in reserve to keep them in soldierly spirits through a Q&A session. He was discharged in Nov. 1918, and although he did a short stint of refresher training in 1921, he has been in reserve ever since. His entry for punishiment is the second from last photo on the page titled Punishment.

[b-m-n_animal]

thanks again Nick, one other question. what are the dates in the last photo for?

[Nick Komiya]

The man served as orderly, 従卒 for 3 months, so there you have the commence date and end dates for that role.