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**Gene T** · 02-04-2005, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by kmh

Manny

Once more thanks for your reply you know when two numbers etc. are found on an item like a boot! It makes me wonder and thinking my understanding about the whole system was simply that one RB. Nr = One Maker. Easy!! But

Two RB. Numbers or more on the same piece would indicate the use of subcontractores; all thru I believe the boot as final assemblyed and made at one place/maker but the whole essence here was trying to solve "who is who" out of the numbers. It looks like we as usual only got a blurred picture of the truth.

Kim

But Kim, Manny only showed one RB Nr per boot - perhaps you did not notice that each of the boots he has shown is of a different type and (therefore) did not belong to the same pair as any of the others? In fact, the Mercedes Reitstiefel I mentioned in the other thread on the same topic has exactly the same markings as Manny's; only mine was made in 44 rather than 43. (curiously, my boots are also unused - either the Germans made more of these than they had cavalrymen to issue them to, and kept up this wasteful practice for at least 2 years in a row under severely difficult conditions, or a fairly significant quantity of these were set aside for some reason and subsequently forgotten - I had seen quite a few pairs of these turning up on eBay and elsewhere in recent years, although it was not always possible to tell how they were marked).

Again, as near as I can see, nothing posted here so far has been stamped with more than one RB Nr.

Or perhaps I missed something?

cheers,
Gene T

**kmh** · 02-05-2005, 07:16 AM

Thanks Gene for the comments I most say it has been a bit unclear to me on the shown and discussed items whatever the different parts have one or more RB. Numbers stamped. Anyway the main reason for this thread was about solving who the makers behind the numbers really are. And we have progress.
Kim

**derspiess63** · 02-05-2005, 07:39 AM

Kim,

I think I've stated clearly enough that each RBNr and its TradeMark/Name did belong to different items made by different makers,as Gene has pointed out!
A RBNr and a maker's name are easily found on footwear for the reasons I've explained in my previous post and on Tunics and Trousers when the "older" paper tags are sewn to RBNred items....."new" paper tags had the RBNr. stamped on them and that doesn't help the least !
Cheers
Manny

**kmh** · 02-05-2005, 09:49 AM

Manny

Well after the result literally have been cut in plywood to me! I finally get it.

Thanks
Kim

**Gerard/Relic Hunter** · 08-25-2005, 09:21 AM

I found this thread and think it should be resurrected. I did a quick search of Bergschuhe and here's what I got- (names may be a little off, as some are hard to read)

Seifert u. Klüber, Nalla
0/0901/0017
Georg Müller
0/762/0023
A.Betz
0/917/0027

Let's try to add more, or possibley someone can make a master list.

God Bless,

Gerard

**Gerard/Relic Hunter** · 08-30-2005, 07:04 AM

Hey guys, no one else with any to add to the list?? Here's another jump start-

Unissued tropical straight leg pants with tag-

Lago für Schneider-München
Anton Seemeier Uniformschneiderei
Landau ad Isar
1/0850/0241

could the city (850) be Munich? Anyone with a RB number you know is to a Munich maker to test this theory?

Gerard

**hcliffe** · 08-30-2005, 12:22 PM

I like it Gerard. I think we determined that 0250 was Berlin from some other items that had been listed. But why would a "1" be used here? Some had suggested in the past that the first digit was foreign countries. Not the case here obviously.

**kmh** · 08-30-2005, 04:51 PM

Hi

I still think we are on the thin ice here I have been into this subject for pretty long now trying solving the riddle. But I haven't yet seen evidence about this idea is correct or at least usefull but I can't reject it either. I still have nothing new to put instead of the city idea! but I am still working on it.

My 2 cent

Kim

**dread** · 09-12-2005, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by hcliffe

I like it Gerard. I think we determined that 0250 was Berlin from some other items that had been listed. But why would a "1" be used here? Some had suggested in the past that the first digit was foreign countries. Not the case here obviously.

hi
so the first 4 numbers are basicly a zip code?
if 0 is germany would 1 be austria?
i dont supose any one seen this rbnr code?
rbnr 0/0779/0679 ?

thanks
dread

**kmh** · 09-12-2005, 06:34 AM

Hi

No I don't think you can jump into conclusions based on that suggestion! and I don't have the number in nention into my files. But why should it not be fine at least I guess so. Whar kind og equipment is it.

Regards
Kim

**dread** · 09-12-2005, 06:46 AM

Originally posted by kmh

Hi

No I don't think you can jump into conclusions based on that suggestion! and I don't have the number in nention into my files. But why should it not be fine at least I guess so. Whar kind og equipment is it.

Regards
Kim

its a m43 winter ski cap for hitler youth,black wool very well made
(private purchace),the hj pin is rzm m1/105 (Hermann Aurich Dresdan)

there is writeing on the sweat sheild but the ink or paint gold has long sence worn off you can still make out the writeing maybe with a speical light?
Feverwehrbedar? i think

anyway thanks for your help

dread

**lammy** · 07-17-2008, 07:00 AM

Anyone know this one 0/0561/0007, found on a chinstrap i have...!!!

**Vincent S.** · 07-20-2008, 11:26 AM

Let's bring this interesting thread back under attention.
I am currently researching the stamps and markings encountered in German winter uniforms, and thus also the RB and RF numbers.

I have encounterd the following double markings, hopefully some more to follow

0/0639/0049
Vereinigte-Bekleidungs-Industrie (Mainz)

0/0750/0062
Erba

0/0750/6362
Branburger & Karst (Stuttgart)

0/0842/0009
Marte K-G.

I came to the following list by checking the frequency in which certain codes, as for example 0850, occur with a certain depot stamp. The capital cities of the region in which these depots were located , so I believe, were indicated by a number ending on "50". The digit in front of this "50", as for example the 8 in 0850, indicates the region. I haven't figured it out yet how exactly these indications to the regions were given, as they don't relate to the Wehrkreisse or any other regional division from that period...

0/0250 Berlin
0/0350 Erfurt
0/0750 Stuttgart
0/0850 Munchen
1/1001 Wien (Not yet confirmed, awaiting further markings)

The following are not yet confirmed yet, but have a good chance of being correct.

0/0550 Wiesbaden, often occurs with Metz-Lothringen depot stamp
0/0650 Saarbrücken , as some known RB numbers with the "06" series come from the Saarbrücken region.
1/1001 Wien, sometimes seen with either Wien or Wien-Brün depot markings.

Feel free to contact me for a small list of the RB numbers, which might be of help.

I am looking for "Reichsbetriebnummern" with depot stamps.
Please contact me concerning these if you can help me with this,

Best Regards,

Vincent S.

**Zamex** · 11-29-2008, 10:40 AM

Hi, can you please check if these are real or fake? Marked R.B.N.r 0/0850/0189.

**Luciusdegeer** · 12-01-2008, 05:18 AM

Hey Zamex,

I bought the same Y-straps in Prague some years ago for around 8 euro piece. The guy who sold them said this: 'Real Wehrmacht Y-straps, 'f***ed' up by the Czech army after 1945...' Although these pieces were described some years ago in 'Militaria Magazine' as 100% original, they are in fact recycled and re-worked for the CSSR armed forces. They were originally 'light' Y-straps (as used by the Luftwaffe Felddivisionen or by Cavalry) with additional straps to use them for backpacks, Tornister and rucksacks. Most of them have original markings on the back strap (in this case a R.B.Nr.- stamp). Look at the hardware: the D-rings are 'inversed' (the Wehrmacht used simple D-rings that attached to D-rings with hooks, these are 'inversed': D-rings with hooks on straps), sometinmes newly produced after 1945. The leather additions are typically in grey 'Italian' leather. This fact was for some people the proof that these Y-straps were in fact very late-war conversions for the Wehrmacht. This is incorrect.

In order to add to the discussion about the R.B.Nr., this is what I learned over the years. I should add that there are no contemporary sources that survived the the war. Nobody will ever know all of the R.B.Nr....

The first digit is not a country code (somewhat ridiculous to assume the '1' would refer to Austria in the totalitarian 'united' Grossdeutschland...), but refers to 'Industry' or 'Trade'. The '0' is simply 'Industrial production'. The '1' could refer to sub-contracting or some kind of artisanal production('Landeslieferungsgenossenschaft'). Again, nothing is sure here... it's only my '2 cents'! The second group of digits is an area code. Most collectors have already found out that '0250' refers to Gross-Berlin. The last group of digits is the factory number.
We could use a 'system' in this thread: we group the numbers with the same area codes, and then subdivide them into factories.

More later,

Lucius

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