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    #61
    One other point about disregarding surrender orders. The US had an agreement with the Russians from the Yalta conference (if memory serves), that the US would hand over any fleeing German military forces who continued to resist Russian capture. Thousands of German troops thinking they were safely in US custody found themselves turned over to the Russians. Didn't Erich Hartmann fall into Russian hands in this manner? Incidently, being a POW of the Russians was not a death sentance, especially if one was high ranking or notable for other reasons. Hartmann survived and he destroyed 352 Russian aircraft in the air. Granted it was no picnic but it wasn't a death sentence either.

    I was personally told by a German vet that one had to be careful when interrogated by the Russians. It was his experience that if a German admitted to something as simple as cutting down a Russian tree for firewood it was punishable by death as a crime against the Soviet Union. This vet was an Obergefreiter in an Infantry Regiment who was not taken by the Russians but other members of his unit were and relayed this information to him.

    In light of the US policy on returning fleeing German military, Rudel's decision to violate surrender terms was quite a risky affair indeed. Appealing to American honor in demanding return of his stolen awards (and leg) was a smart move on his part but not all US commanders would have responded in this fashion. Rudel was lucky he got them back. Either the US commander was under orders to see to the comfort of his distinguished guest or he hadn't written too many letters to grieving relatives of men under his command. A lot of commanders had very little concern for the personal effects of enemy captives. There was nothing "illegal" about taking decorations off enemy soldiers. Decorations like these (albeit not quite this high) had been used to lure souvenier hunting GIs into booby traps more than once.

    Great discussion! Cheers, Bill Huber

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      #62
      Originally posted by David G
      How do you get a wheels up landing in a Stuka?-easy-the aircraft was built with explosive charges in each gear so that if one was destroyed, the other could be blown off by the pilot and a landing effected which would cause less damage.
      Thanks David! Makes perfect sence. Gotta love the range of expertise of this forum! Would this have chipped the paint on his RK or shook loose a diamond?

      Cheers, Bill Huber

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        #63
        Bill, you're welcome-The Stuka was a very interesting aircraft, and Rudel perhaps the most successful pilot ever to have survived against all the odds.
        Gunter Rall was interrogated with Rudel, the former considered him very arrogant, but he had a lot to be arrogant about!

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          #64
          Originally posted by fknorr
          Thanks David, that is a thorough site.
          Bob, aren't these pics of the same series that you obtained your RK's....


          I wonder if the pics weren't produced over and over?
          Regards,
          Dave

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            #65
            Getting to this thread kinda late...

            Here are a few photos that I found in the album of a 510th Fighter Squadron mechanic. He was there when Rudel surrendured. There were hand written notes regarding Rudel, the woman, etc. on the back of the photos.
            Attached Files
            Last edited by Calvin Hall; 12-23-2005, 09:36 PM.
            -Calvin Hall, repressed Appalachian American.

            Desperately seeking a Juncker Knights Cross ribbon loop and well used Knights Cross ribbon!!!

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              #66
              another shot...
              Attached Files
              -Calvin Hall, repressed Appalachian American.

              Desperately seeking a Juncker Knights Cross ribbon loop and well used Knights Cross ribbon!!!

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                #67
                and another...

                note how tall the Luft man is that is standing behind the lady. He is a giant.

                According to the note on the back of the photo, the mechanic asked to have his photo taken w/ the lady. However, she declined.
                Attached Files
                -Calvin Hall, repressed Appalachian American.

                Desperately seeking a Juncker Knights Cross ribbon loop and well used Knights Cross ribbon!!!

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                  #68
                  I forgot to mention that I spoke w/ the commander (I cant immediately recall his name) of the 510th about a year ago about Rudel's surrender. He said that he and his officer's spent about an hour in private w/ Rudel and his officers shortly after the surrender. During that time Rudel removed his RK and passed it around the room for examination. The commander stated that when Rudel left their area that he was still in possesion of his medals.
                  -Calvin Hall, repressed Appalachian American.

                  Desperately seeking a Juncker Knights Cross ribbon loop and well used Knights Cross ribbon!!!

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                    #69
                    Those are great photos Calvin. Thanks For sharing them.

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                      #70
                      BTW is that the girl that was hidden in the plane?

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by Tim Schreiner
                        BTW is that the girl that was hidden in the plane?
                        Hi Tim,

                        Yes, I think that is the girl that was hidden in the plane.
                        -Calvin Hall, repressed Appalachian American.

                        Desperately seeking a Juncker Knights Cross ribbon loop and well used Knights Cross ribbon!!!

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by Calvin Hall
                          Hi Tim,

                          Yes, I think that is the girl that was hidden in the plane.

                          By the look of her, I can see why she was smuggled.

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                            #73
                            Originally posted by Tim Schreiner
                            Those are great photos Calvin. Thanks For sharing them.
                            Indeed very nice pictures!

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                              #74
                              Stuka Girl

                              From one of the linked sites.
                              Hoping they won't mind.
                              Attached Files
                              At Rathau on the Aller, the CO of 5th Royal Tanks advanced on foot to take a cautious look into the town before his tanks moved in. He encountered one of his own officers, a huge Welshman named John Gwilliam who later captained his country's rugby team, 'carrying a small German soldier by the scruff of his neck, not unlike a cat with a mouse.' The Colonel said: 'Why not shoot him?' Gwilliam replied in his mighty Welsh voice: 'Oh no, sir. Much too small.'

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                                #75
                                I was investigating more things about rudel, cause im a big "fan" of him, and came up with this thread...
                                Ill post great piccs of rudel here:













                                the original RK:



                                a great copy of the RK:



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                                You can find more piccs of Rudel in action here: !!!!!

                                http://www.pilotenbunker.de/Stuka/Rudel/rudel.htm



                                i hope you enjoy them !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






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                                I made this today =) it took me like an hour LOL
                                Last edited by Tiger89; 04-02-2006, 10:37 AM.

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