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    The Unattributed Style Flak Badge - Possible Maker?

    Hi All,
    I have this Flak Badge in my collection - the nickle plated
    " unattributed " style. It has the #5 stamped into the back of the badge. I have been told in the past that it is just a " Lieferant " (supplier) number and it doesn't mean the same as the LDO #5, which was Hermann Wernstein. Yet, when I read Gordons great reference "THE IRON CROSS OF 1939" on page 47, there pictured is an EKII marked "5" on the ring with the description underneath
    reading " Iron Cross Second Class with Lieferant # 5 ( Hermann Wernstein )". To add to this, on the preceeding page (46) there is a paragraph that states " Although we are,in this work,concerned only with the Iron Cross, the system of markings was the same as that used for all other military decorations". I'm sure Gordon put in some big time hours researching his book, so I'm inclined to believe him. Could this type of flak badge actually be an early style of Wernstein? Your thoughts on this people? Thanks Guys,
    ERIC
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      Hi Eric,

      there has been a lot of speculation as to who made these badges.
      I personally would not tend to Wernstein as I have never seen a ÜÜ with a ball hinge, much rather always with the standard ÜÜ hinge or the variant that is seen on their IAB.
      I also have this " Buntmetaller" like yours but when I compare it to my rather beat up ÜÜ Flak they have a lot of differences, the biggest one is the size, the unmarked one is much larger.
      Your is the first one I have seen that is marked though so maybe you are right.
      Here is my zinc ÜÜ for comparison.

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        I don't think do either because the unknown one can be found in both buntmetal and zinc which indicates to me that it was made through out the war, same goes for Wernstein badge. There's nothing similar between the 2 badges but I'd sure like to know how that '5' got on there and what it means!

        Rich
        Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
        Decorations of Germany

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