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    Interesting Close Combat Clasp

    Hello to all,
    Here is a Close Combat Clasp that I found in Toledo, Ohio yesterday. It has traces of silver wash remaining on the front, but is mostly gray. The reverse is interesting because it has a fluted, steel pin, which I do not ever recall seeing on a FLL clasp. It looks to be the first-pattern FLL, as the hinge is crimped in. However, this clasp has the eliptical catch plate and thick, square stock catch found on the second-pattern FLL clasps. The catch plate was soldered directly over the spot were the boss is for the catch crimp, so the catch plate is not completely flat against the back of the clasp. The one end is raised up a bit. The backing plate is anodized steel. This clasp weighs 32.6 grams.
    Best regards! Tom
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    Last edited by Tom Yanacek; 01-29-2006, 08:52 PM.
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              Hi Tom,

              Great FLL find! Looks like a transitional piece and great to find evidence to support our theory that the ones with the sunken in catch was indeed the "first pattern" clasp.

              I have also come to the conclusion that the pins on the Nahkampfspanges were pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of badge production and most if not all manufacturers used both fluted and solid pins, basically whatever they could get there hands on. A fluted pin is just as secure as a solid pin after all.

              Looks how nice the silver finish has remained on the solder at the catch. To bad the clasp was made entirely of solder.

              Tom D.
              If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

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                Hello Tom,
                Thanks for the response. I figured if anyone would care to respond to this thread, it would be you. I agree with your opinion that this could be a transitional piece of some kind, and not just a first-pattern clasp with a broken/repaired catch. The work doesn't strike me as any type of repair, but something that was done deliberately by the manufacturer. Have you ever seen an FLL clasp with a fluted pin before? I really can't ever remember seeing one before stumbling on this one.
                Best regards! Tom
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                  Hi Tom,

                  Nope, first FLL with a fluted pin in my experience too. Like I said earlier, I do not really see a problem with any maker using both types of pins. FLL must have been one of the biggest manufacturer of CCC as they are the most commonly encountered clasp next to AGMuK. An assortment of pins on such a common maker makes sense to me.

                  As far as the catch, I would say definately not a replacement. These type of catches are not only found on their second pattern CCCs, but most of the war badges from FLL. IMO original to the clasp.

                  Tom D.

                  p.s., hope to catch up with you at the SOS. If you have any unmarked clasps and RS clasps and have the room in your car, please bring them with you. I would like to check them out if you don't mind.

                  Thanks

                  Tom D.
                  If it doesn't have a hinge and catch, I'm not interested......well, maybe a little

                  New Book - The German Close Combat Clasp of World War II
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                    Nice one Tom, just goes to show that there are no set rules for the CCC's. Very interesting to me because I have recently been researching my first pattern Silver FLL CCC, it all adds to the info on a limited info subject. Cheers.

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                      Great looking find. CCC's are a minefield for me and I won't touch them......yet!!

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                        Original, but IMO in bad condition (as the "silver" is gone).

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                          Tom:

                          Congratulations on your badge find!! I think it is great to have found a transitional piece that blends both 1st and 2nd pattern FLL CCC traits. The fluted pin on one of these is a first for me too. Interesting clasp regardless of finish.

                          Dennis

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