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    #1

    Ball Hinge Glider

    I was hoping we could have a good discussion on the ball-hinge glider badge. These have been accepted as originals in the past, although there are respected individuals amongst us that are not believers.
    I found this one at Jamie Cross' site that looks quite believable to me. I like the way the finish has bubbled.
    Does anyone have one of these from the german veteran himself? Let's hear everyones thoughts on these. best wishes,
    jeff
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      #3
      Hi Jeff,
      I like the bubbling on this badge as well. Looks 100% period to me.
      Any chance for ball hinge pictures in "open" position? Hinge looks good to me, but I would like to see how pin was formed around the ball base. Regardless of pin shape, IMO it is a good badge.

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        #4
        Looks just like what i expect on a zinc Flak.
        Marc

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          #5
          100% original WW2 example
          WAF LIFE COACH

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            #6
            Originally posted by robert60446
            Hi Jeff,
            I like the bubbling on this badge as well. Looks 100% period to me.
            Any chance for ball hinge pictures in "open" position? Hinge looks good to me, but I would like to see how pin was formed around the ball base. Regardless of pin shape, IMO it is a good badge.
            Hi Robert, I do not have one of these badges, so unfortunately I cannot provide other images.
            I agree with all you guys, the badge looks great. Hopefully, those that do not believe these are original will also weigh in with their opinions. best wishes,
            jeff
            Looking for a 30 '06 Chauchat magazine.

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              #7
              I never saw any reason to doubt these and they have been around forever. It is said that one individual who has met some glider veterans exclusively saw either the BSW or the Juncker with them and never this type badge, but how representative is that indeed? I could probably meet up with 10.000 GAB recipients and not one would have a FLL, Kerbach & Oesterhelt or a L/10 GAB. That would not make these badges fakes.

              Construction, aging, hand finish are by no means suspicious. I once had one in my collection so can say from first hand experience.
              Cheers, Frank

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                #8
                This one also for sale
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                Collecting Inerests Awards / Badges and Kriegsmarine

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                  Collecting Inerests Awards / Badges and Kriegsmarine

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                    #10
                    Hello, I have got one of these glider badges from a veteran. He was a New Zealand soldier who was a prisoner of war in Germany at the wars end and got several flight clasps and qualification badges from a LW distribution centre while looking for food. Several other New Zealand prisoners of war from this camp also brought home LW badges from this centre. This badge is 100% correct, the eagle is zinc but the wreath is heavily plated.

                    Chris
                    Last edited by 90th Light; 07-19-2006, 06:57 AM.

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                      #11
                      ball hinge gliders

                      Hello,


                      Well i am the person who is not convinced and i do not like these ball hinge gliders.

                      @ Frank, you can easely name me by name as instead of using the unclear text : "It is said that one individual who has met some glider veterans exclusively saw either the BSW or the Juncker with them and never this type badge, but how representative is that indeed? "

                      That individual is me i believe, so please feel free to name me instead of creating speculations. Comparing the glider pilots badge towards the general assault badge is one thing one should not do. (a much better comparison would be against the Heer Para badge => howmuch producers where there for that particular badge? )

                      It is correct that i have met some (to use the words from the above written quote) glider pilots. And indeed none had any badge that looked at a far distance like these ball hinge badges. For me it is quite clear => iff you want a 100 % original badge without room for discussion, look for the C.EJuncker and BSW badges as a standard.

                      So for the believers in these badges, what is so convincing for you guys?, is it the beauty of the badge?, etc ...

                      I have said it before and everyone is free to believe what he wants, howmany glider pilot badges where then awarded ? was there such a large demand during the short period of awarding?, etc ... just a few questions that are relevant towards the glider pilot badge and the subject.

                      Cordial greetings,
                      my collectionfield : German glider pilots


                      http://users.skynet.be/lw-glider/

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                        #12
                        glider badge

                        Hello,


                        Here are a few relevant threads about this type of badge;

                        1) http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...er+pilot+badge

                        And here is a thread about how i think on what badge are at this point 100 % original (the ball hinge is also named in that thread => see post nr. 6 & 8)

                        2) http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...er+pilot+badge

                        So my point of vieuw is known by now, cordial greetings,
                        my collectionfield : German glider pilots


                        http://users.skynet.be/lw-glider/

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                          That individual is me i believe, so please feel free to name me instead of creating speculations.
                          Sorry, but I thought it to be actually LESS friendly to mention your name before you had posted.

                          What I like about the ballhinge badge:

                          -construction comparable to other TR original badges
                          -finish comparable to other TR original badges
                          -aging comparable to other original TR badges
                          -badges received individual and thorough handfinishing, you do not see this on war badge/qualification badge fakes
                          -material wartime and believable
                          -not many around on the market
                          -when you see them it is NEVER at the sellers who have fakes galore on offer.

                          But no problem with you believing in something else.
                          Cheers, Frank

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Stijn David

                            So for the believers in these badges, what is so convincing for you guys?, is it the beauty of the badge?, etc ...
                            Hi,
                            Nope, it is not a beauty. Please take a look at my A.S. PAB and compare finishes on these 2 badges. It is 100% match. Also, ball hinge construction looks "normal" to me.

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                              #15
                              The ball hinges certainly look believable and the similarity to the setup on the ball hinge Flak is very similar.

                              I******180;ve never bought one but I see no reason to condem them out of hand.

                              I agree with all the ponts Frank makes but one thing I don******180;t like is the sloppy rivets. Just a gripe though a not a comment on originality.

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