Assmann FJ Badge Opinion Please

[John F.]

Hello

This is a follow-up to a previous thread called: "My First FJ Badge” that I posted on May 9, 2003. The forum was in agreement that the FJ JMME & SOHN badge that I posted was a good reproduction. I informed my seller and he agreed to give me my money back or exchange it for the following Assmann & Sohne FJ badge. Can I please solicit your opinions?

Thanks,

John

[John F.]

Makers Mark & Rivets

The Makers Mark & Rivets

[John F.]

Catch & Hinge

The Catch & Hinge:

[skip]

Hi John,

I am not to keen on that one either.
At first glance it appears to be a late war Assmann, BUT, is it just me or is the eagle exceedingly short necked?
Also late war Assmanns have a cast on hinge and catch. This appears to have both these features repaired.
I am also a bit suprised that there is no die number on the wreath.
Rivets are OK for late war, although they are usually round doomed shape.
"A" stamp looks OK but that is about all.
Are you supposed to lay the same money down as for the supposed IMME buntmetal badge?
I would pass and wait for a better example. Rather get your money back IMO.

Skip

here is a example with repaired catch. I also have a newer one in the collection that is not repaired, if nobody else posts one I will do you some pics. tommorow

[skip]

forgot it

[SgtB]

Sorry John,

In my opinion both badges posted are reproductions. With
regards to jump badges of all makers, if the three talons of
the eagle do not extend down over the upper arm of the
swastika, I need look no further.

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Gentleman,

I do not like eithier of the posted examples, even for late war pieces.

The first example posted is a bad repo.

- pin, hinge, eagle , talons, wreath ect..

If this is what is being offered for a trade by the dealer in replacement, that would be enough for me to say thank you, but no thanks can I please have my money back.

Skip,s example looks closer to the mark, BUT the top tail feathers are what bothers me and a few other points in retrospect to detail. The scans are a bit blurred so the example is hard to evaluate.

Here is a scan from the an Original Assman catalog (reprint) , the piece is an early Assman Para, but the points can seen in what lacks on the reverse of both examples. This is the best I could do with the pic size as it isn't that much to work with to begin with. Should still be good enough to help out .

Not a sales pitch, but I posted an early Assman Para Tomback for $675.00. What are you paying for these and as Skip said , your friend is going to trade you straight up for a zinc piece?

Best Regards,
JD

[Joseph D'Errico]

Tomback Para

[Joseph D'Errico]

Tomback PAra Reverse

[Mike Kenny]

Hi,

Brian, if you are calling the badge posted by Skip a reproduction, then I strongly disagree with you and I suggest you study late war Assmann LW Para badges. Your blanket statement about talons is incorrect as Assmanns are one exception.

Regarding John's badge, I lean towards it being a genuine badge with repaired catch, possibly repaired hinge too. The earlier Assmann zinc badges used a similar hinge/catch construction to the one posted by John, prior to the cast in hinge/catch (which also had the number on the wreath).

Regards
Mike K

[ERIC S.]

Hi John,
I don't know what you paid for your repro badge, but I'm sure it was a good amount seeing as though you believed it to be real. Get this money back and leave the Assmann "trade" alone - It looks real enough, but with all that repair work to the hinge/catch I'm sure you will be able to find a much better conditioned one for the same money - Assmanns do seem to pop up often enough to make it worth your while to wait.
ERIC

[SgtB]

OK, Mike!

[Mark S.]

Here is mine for comparison.

[Jan Arne S]

Hi Guys !
Here is an Assmann Para , the double marked one .

Jan Arne

[Jan Arne S]

Sorry Guys !
Here is the pics .
But what about Assmann LW Para with a plate under catch like some Juncker Badge , is that Assmann LW Para OK ?

Jan Arne