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    Saxon Rules: award Precedence Regulations For the Kingdom of Saxony

    Chapter Four of The Ribbon Bar Article, Part Two: The Empire Strikes Back!

    As a kingdom co-equal in dignity with Prussia, Bavaria, and Württemberg, Saxony retained privileges which included the right to precedence of its own awards before those of any other German state, with one exception--the Prussian Iron Cross.

    Like many of the smaller German states, Saxony had far fewer regulations for civilians to wear awards, with strict rules only governing members of the Saxon military. Saxony did insist on a rigid precedence of wear for its Orders and decorations, however, and had an unusually detailed set of rules concerning how many sash, star, commander etc grade awards could be worn on specific forms of dress.

    The listing below is only concerned with awards that could be worn on medal and ribbon bars. This is the precedence decreed in 1905, as continued throughout World War One.

    1) Saint Henry Order-Knight
    2) Saint Henry Order-Gold Medal
    3) Saint Henry Order-Silver Medal
    4) Civil Merit Order-Knights (1st, then 2nd) with Swords
    5) Civil Merit Order-Cross with Swords
    6) Albert Order-Knight 1st Class with Crown and Swords
    7) Albert Order-Knights (1st, then 2nd) with Swords
    8) Albert Order-Cross with Swords
    9) General Decoration (later Honor Cross) with Swords
    10) Friedrich August Medal-Silver, Bronze on War Ribbon
    11) Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class

    12) Civil Merit Order-Knights(1st, then 2nd) without swords
    13) Civil Merit Order-Cross without swords
    14) Civil Merit Order-Medals (to 1876) Gold, Silver
    15) Albert Order-Knight 1st Class with Crown without swords
    16) Albert Order-Knights (1st, then 2nd) without swords
    17) Albert Order-Cross without swords
    18) Albert Order-Medals (to 1876) Gold, Silver
    19) Saxon Lifesaving Medals-Gold, Silver, Bronze
    20) General Decoration (later Honor Cross) without swords
    20a) (unlisted originally) Friedrich August Medals-Silver, Bronze on peacetime ribbons
    21) Carola Medals- Gold, Silver, Bronze
    22) 1870/71 Cross for Voluntary care of the Sick

    the above were to be worn in the listed precedence by all Saxon recipients, and aside from the lowly rank of their atypically multi-grade Lifesaving Medals, follow pretty much the standard Imperial era German "war before peace" precedence usage.

    The following order of wear was prescribed only for Saxon military personnel--

    23) 1866 War Cross
    24) 1849 War with Denmark Cross (created in 1874)
    25) 1863/4 Cross for Denmark Federal Action (created 1890)
    26) 1849 Cross (for those who did NOT see war action--created 1890)
    27) XXV Years Long Service Cross
    28) Long Service Awards for enlisted ranbks 1st, 2nd, 3rd Class
    29) Reserve-Landwehr Long Service Awards

    Note that there is NO mention in here of the Reichs 1870/71 War Medal or of the 1897 Kaiser Wilhelm I Centenary Medal, which all Saxon 1870/71 veterans were entitled to. Nor was the 1900/01 China Medal mentioned. (The 1904/06 Southwest Africa and 1913 generic Colonial Campaigns Medal had yet to be created.)

    Nor were there ANY prescribed rules for the wearing of all other unspecified German and foreign awards!

    Saxony was also unusual among Imperial states in allowing multiple grades of the same award (say, both Knights' classes of the Albert Order with Swords) to be worn together. Other states required that a lower grade be returned when a higher of the same type was bestowed.

    Another Saxon peculiarity was placement of Long Service awards AFTER war/campaign crosses/medals--the opoosite of normal Imperial German practice.

    The MOST distinctly Saxon difference in precedence is the official placement of both Saint Henry Order MEDALS-- awarded ONLY to enlisted ranks-- ahead of even wartime Orders-- with the obvious exception of the Knight's Cross of the Saint Henry Order itself. This indicates exactly how highly the Saint Henry Medals were rated by the Saxon monarchy. The only close comparison in any Imperial German award is the Prussian Lifesaving Medal--awarded without regard for recipients' status--ahead of all Prussian peacetime Orders. In no other case that I can think of was any "other ranks" award in Imperial Germany placed before officers' Orders the way the Saint Henry Order Medals were. (In the 1930s, these may, indeed, be found IMPROPERLY mounted behind Saxon war Orders.)

    The WWI Saxon War Merit Cross-- certainly one of the vaguest awards ever created--see previous postings in this Forum on this cross--did not specify in what position it was to have been worn!

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    Saxon Ribbon Bars

    Saxon Ribbon Bars, 2 groups, top and bottom. Note bottom group has one stray bar. I'll let Rick explain the precedence, different groups, etc.

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      #3
      Top row: a Captain or major's bar, probably wartime since there is no long service cross. Presence of the Albert Order-Knight 1st with Swords and Crown (only awarded to Captains up to Lieutenant Colonel) shows the first ribbon is that of the Saint Henry Order.

      Note the many pointless Prussian Iron Cross 2nd Class miniature devices--a characterist Saxon affectation. These do NOT indicate possession of an unworn 1st Class. This unnecessary device is really puzzling since==unlike most other states' WW1 awards on common ribbons, saxony never adopted NEEDED devices to distinguish a Saint Henry Order Knight from a Gold Medal or Silver Medal, or the two classes of Friedrich August Medals when only a ribbon bar was worn!

      Note several double Albert Orders with Swords being worn-- indicating that the rcipient was an Oberleutnant promoted up to Captain during the war, since the grades of Orders were awarded by rank and not actual degree of merit.

      Bar at right of third row incorrectly places an Iron Cross between a Saint Henry Medal and both grades of Friedrich August Medal on war ribbons. Even contemporaries made mistakes! That combination shows this man was first decorated as an ordinary private-- quite an array of awards for a junior NCO!

      Contrast the 5th row's ribbon bar, circa 1934, with saxon awards still ahead of the Iron Cross, with the rows below, dating from 1935. There, the "Reichs" Iron Cross has been given its final primacy ahead of ALL other German awards.

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        Hi Rick,

        here I have the regulations from 24. june 1905 and 22. may 1906:
        (sorry only in German) that will answer a lot of Your questions.
        Königlich Sächsische Kriegsorden und Ehrenzeichen
        1. Militär-St.-Heinrichs-Orden
        a) Ritterkeuz
        b) Goldene bzw. Silberne Medaille
        2. Verdienstorden
        a) Ritterkreuz I. oder II.Klasse mit Kriegsdekoration
        b) Verdienstkreuz
        3. Albrechtsorden
        a) Ritterkreuz I.Klasse mit Krone
        b) Ritterrkeuz I. oder II.Klasse mit Kriegsdekoration
        c) Albrechtskreuz
        4. Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen mit Kriegsdekoration
        5. Silberne bzw. Bronzene Friedrich-August-Medaille
        Eisernes Kreuz II.Klasse
        Königlich Sächsische Orden und Ehrenzeichen usw.
        1. Verdienstorden
        a) Ritterkreuz I. oder II.Klasse ohne Kriegsdekoration
        b) Verdienstkreuz
        c) Goldene bzw. Silberne Medaille (bis 1876 verliehen)
        2. Albrechtsorden
        a) Ritterkreuz I.Klasse mit Krone ohne Kriegsdekoration
        b) Ritterkreuz I. oder II.Klasse
        c) Albrechtskreuz ohne Kriegsdekoration
        d) Goldene bzw. Silberne Medaille (bis 1876 verliehen)
        3. Goldene, Silberne bzw. Bronzene Lebensrettungsmedaille
        4. Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen
        5. Silberne bzw. Bronzene Friedrich-August-Medaille
        6. Goldene, Silberne bzw. Bronzene Carola-Medaille
        7. Erinnerungskreuz für 1870/71 (für freiwillige Krankenpflege usw.)
        8. Erinnerungskreuz für 1866
        9. Erinnerungskreuz für den Feldzug 1849
        10. Erinnerungskreuz für 1863/64
        11. Erinnerungskreuz für 1849
        12. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
        13. Dienstauszeichnung I., II. oder III.Klasse
        14. Landwehrdienstauszeichnung I.Klasse
        Königlich Preußische Orden, Ehrenzeichen usw.
        1. Ritterkreuz vom Königlichen Hausorden von Hohenzollern (mit Schwertern)
        2. Roter Adler-Orden III. oder IV.Klasse (mit Schwertern)
        3. Kronenorden III. oder IV. Klasse (mit Schwertern)
        4. Militärverdienstkreuz
        5. Militärehrenzeichen I.Klasse
        6. Militärehrenzeichen II.Klasse
        7. Rettungsmedaille
        8. die unter 1-3 aufgeführten Orden am statutenmäßigen Band in obiger Reihenfolge
        9. Rote Kreuz-Medaille II.Klasse
        10. Rote Adlerordens-Medaille
        11. Kronenordens-Medaille
        12. Krieger-Verdienstmedaille
        13. Kreuz des Allgemeinen Ehrenzeichens
        14. Allgemeines Ehrenzeichen
        15. Dienstauszeichnungskreuz
        16. Fürstlich Hohenzollernsches Ehrenkreuz II. oder III.Klasse (auch mit Schwertern)
        17. Rote Kreuz-Medaille III.Klasse
        18. Düppelkreuz
        19. Alsenkreuz
        20. Kriegsdenkmünze 1870/71
        21. Kriegsdenkmünze 1866
        22. Kriegsdenkmünze 1864
        23. Chinadenkmünze
        24. Hohenzollernsche Denkmünze
        25. Jerusalemkreuz
        26. Krönungsmedaille
        27. Kaiser Wilhelm I. Erinnerungsmedaille
        28. Hannoversche Jubiläumsdenkmünze
        Orden usw. der übrigen deutschen Staaten
        Außerdeutsche Orden usw.

        Additional regulations came in WW1:

        - the KVK had to be worn directly AFTER the EK 2
        - Owner of a Commanders cross with swords were allowed to wear a knights cross ribbon with swords on the ribbon bar or in the buttonhole.

        Best regards

        Daniel

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          #5
          Thanks Daniel. I think the "1870" regulations must have been disobeyed ALL the time-- I can't remember seeing 1870s/1897s after all Saxon awards-- but then that is earlier than my usual time period. Rick

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