EK1 L/18 2nd PB FAKE or RARE ORIGINAL!!!

[5tefan]

Could this EK1 be a fake

I catch today a second one but mint version!

I can't belief that this type is a fake! This EK1 look typical 2WK. made!

This EK1 has nothing to do with 1957 finish!

And this EK1 is not a know mass distributed EK1 fake like 333 EK2, Floch or Stuttgart-Copy!

It can not be a fake

What do you think? Usually, I don't repeat 3 times the same post!
But due to no one gave a feedback to the old thread, I will start a new thread, to open a new discussion.

Maybe after you see this mint variant you will make up your mind

Here are the both old thread for studdy:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=537735

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=534701

[Hank C.]

The core looks more S&L to me. Postwar produced L/16 for the GI's maybe?

Hank

[5tefan]

According to Douglas 5, B.H. Mayer had 3 diferent cores!
This shown EK1 looks like core 2. See this link #7
But I will make some investigation about the core, many thanks for your feedback.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=591859

The core looks more S&L to me. Postwar produced L/16 for the GI's maybe?

Hank

[ben bijker]

The core looks more S&L to me. Postwar produced L/16 for the GI's maybe?

Hank

Hank, it is a bit hard to see, but the stamp is L/18

IMO these crosses are wartime produced.

best regards,
Ben

[fabri-online]

[QUOTE=ben bijker;5266349]IMO these crosses are wartime produced./QUOTE]

Wartime for me too.
Very nice and very interesting EKI Stefan !!

[streptile]

If this cross is original, then surely the EK2 below labeled "Kopie L/18" is also original?

It has the same finish, the same frame, the same core, and the same mark.





So do you agree the L/18 EK2 above (RIGHT) is also original?







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[5tefan]

Trevor, it's very easy
The EK2 on the right side is not 100% the 333 EK2 fake!
I saw two different 333 EK2 both had nothing to do with this frame type!
They use two times original T- frames with a core that had clearly a flat standard date design. This shown sample on the right side is an unicate, posible they change the core - nothing more.

The shown EK1 is not an unicate, I saw now 5 of them and the last one silver frosted.

Maybe the EK2 World should check, if the use an original core tool with the 1813 defect date for other original unknown EK2.

I belief that the 333 faker use only original left over parts, to build the 333 fake and marke the ring 333 to know what are copies and what are the original later on.

[streptile]

Hi Stefan,

With respect, I did not ask if the EK2 labeled "Kopie L/18" was the "333" fake.

I asked only if you think it is an original Mayer EK2.

Do you?

[5tefan]

Hi Stefan,

With respect, I did not ask if the EK2 labeled "Kopie L/18" was the "333" fake.

I asked only if you think it is an original Mayer EK2.

Do you?

Trevor,

how much L/18 fake like you shown on the right side did you see?
Could it be possible that someone use only the original frames for the the 333 fake core? This cores had clearly flat dates not convex!

[streptile]

Hi Stefan,

I will answer your questions:

how much L/18 fake like you shown on the right side did you see?

Very few.

Could it be possible that someone use ... original frames for the the 333 fake?

Yes, I think this is possible.

Now please, answer my question:

Do you think the EK2 labeled "Kopie L/18" is an authentic pre-1945 EK2 made by B.H. Mayer?

[fabri-online]

I prefer to start from the EKI of this thread, an examination on each part is needed after Trevor posts, rightly, we have a Mayer cross.
Actually from these pics I don't see any evidence that there are post war parts.
About frames, frame of that fake L/18 has a very ricognizable flaw on frame that looks to me there is no present on this EKI but I ask to Stefan to make pics of those areas.

[fabri-online]

edit: now looks to me there is the flaw in 12 o'clock arm !

I ask to my dear friend Stefano to post his cross (already showed in a old thread).

[5tefan]

Hi Stefan,

With respect, I did not ask if the EK2 labeled "Kopie L/18" was the "333" fake.

I asked only if you think it is an original Mayer EK2.

Do you?

Hi Trevor,

I thought with my answers before I replay to your question.

Left EK2 Original, right EK2 handicraft work - fake core installed into original frame and ring is original marked!

[streptile]

Left EK2 Original, right EK2 handicraft work - fake core installed into original frame and ring is original marked!

Hi Stefan,

The EK2 on the RIGHT has a traditional L/18 frame. (<--- EDIT: this is wrong, I confused LEFT and RIGHT. Should say LEFT)

The EK2 on the LEFT has the same frame as your EK1. (<--- EDIT: this is wrong, I confused LEFT and RIGHT. Should say RIGHT)

Now another question:

Can you show a cross (EK1 or EK2) with the same frame as the EK2 on the LEFT (same frame as your cross) and a traditional Mayer core? (<--- EDIT: this is wrong, I confused LEFT and RIGHT. Should say RIGHT)

[5tefan]

Hi Stefan,

The EK2 on the RIGHT has a traditional L/18 frame.

The EK2 on the LEFT has the same frame as your EK1.

Now another question:

Can you show a cross (EK1 or EK2) with the same frame as the EK2 on the LEFT (same frame as your cross) and a traditional Mayer core?

I think you try to confuse me!
Left common BHM frame right is the discussed frame!
According to your question about the cores, I can not, but maybe Douglas 5 can do, because he statet that BHM has 3 different cores and core No. 2 match to my EK1