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    #31
    Not much feed-back, so I’ll continue my monologue .<o></o>


    Wes, I concur with your assumption that inventory pieces could be used, but firmly believe the transition regarding fan-markings and Klasse occurred in 1943. The fan’markings followed a logic pattern, down to the marked II. Klasse neck cross, which was accordingly marked with a “2”. I think it’s important to emphasize the distinction between the III. and II. Klasse. When awarded a III.Klasse and later the recipient received the star, the cross was marked “3”. If on the other hand the cross and the star were awarded simultaneously, both cross and star were II. Klasse by definition, which is confirmed by the “2” on the fan on the cross. The fact that II. Klasse sets can be found with a “3” marked cross, can be explained by the permission to keep the original cross when awarded a higher class, instead if deliver it back for a new “2” marked cross. Here’s also where the inventory theory makes logic i.e. neck crosses with a “1” on the fan, or even unmarked could be issued in conjunction with the star, as well as an alleged III. Klasse. The only thing I find definite though, is that any neck cross awarded before 1943 could not feature the markings “2” or “3”. Nor could a V. Klasse be marked “3”.<o></o>
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    With this in mind, perhaps the markings on the 1937 and 1939 versions can be explained. Angolia states that the 1937 neck cross was marked with a “1” on the ring for class. Suggestions have been brought forward that this could indicate manufacturer i.e. Deschler, something I find hard to believe . I’m not familiar with any class markings on the breast cross (3<sup>rd</sup> Stufe) or the Grand Cross, which might seem odd. After all, the suspension was the same and the difference between the breast cross and the neck cross was merely 5mm. But if we compare with the 1943 markings, there is one logical possibility i.e. the single neck cross was marked “1” in order to differentiate it from Verdienstkreuz mit Stern. Pablo’s excellent reference has shown the presence of both unmarked and “1”-marked neck crosses, indicating that the unmarked neck crosses could have been issued for the sets. Now the floor is open.<o></o>


    Cheers<o></o>
    Peter <o></o>

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      #32
      This is still under construction, but might help with the markings and the differences between the first type and the future pieces.

      http://chris.stirnpanzer.com/german_...man_order.html

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        #33
        Just arrived home these new eagles. 2nd class 1937, different markings from the other ones we posted before in this thread: "SILBER 900".





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          #34
          I would want to know more about the cross withe the 900 SILBER mark.

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            #35
            I will post more pics. Would be interesting to see other examples of the same period.

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                #37
                I have been talking a little with Peter about Eagle Order miniatures and, as usual, we have found that there is not much informationabout them. Looking at these two I have, I always thought that #1 (that belonged to a spanish diplomat) was german made because is more detiailed, and #2 (to a spanish air force general) was spanish made. Anyone knows anything about this?

                Peter, could you post the image you sent me?... I am afraid I have lost it.

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                  #38
                  No problemas. These two images are from Messing's book.

                  cheers
                  Peter
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                    #39
                    Thanks, it seems that #2 is like the one on the left.

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                      #40
                      Just arrived home these eagles. 2nd class with swords, markings "21 900" are different to those I posted before. The way the eagles are attached to the arms of the cross is finer as it is the whole piece.





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                        #41
                        love that enemel

                        Pardon me gents,

                        I have been looking for info on these for a little while. Finally found this thread. Can you guys tell me the best book(s) for specifics of Eagle Orders? I have Medals and Decorations Of Hitlers German by Lumsden.

                        Also would like to know what fakes to look out for. Thanks in advance for any help.

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                          #42
                          A rare one here. Third class 1937 WITH SWORDS, marked "900" bellow the lower arm of the cross:

                          Last edited by aenobarbo; 01-25-2009, 03:34 PM.

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Wes Bray View Post
                            Obverse, trying again...
                            Your cross is I Stufe? The cross would have to be gilded or to color silver? Thanks Gian Alberto

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                              #44
                              Wow, I can't believe I've missed this post. The existence of this non-fanned version with swords really overrides previously general conclusions. Pablo, thanks for sharing

                              cheers
                              Peter

                              Originally posted by aenobarbo View Post
                              A rare one here. Third class 1937 WITH SWORDS, marked "900" bellow the lower arm of the cross:

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Peter J. View Post
                                Wow, I can't believe I've missed this post. The existence of this non-fanned version with swords really overrides previously general conclusions. Pablo, thanks for sharing

                                cheers
                                Peter
                                Yes Peter, these are real examples. I´ve had the chance to study one more example here in Spain, belonging to the grandson of a Spanish Blue Division Officer, and is the same cross like mine one, no fan, swords, "900" bellow the lower arm and those different eagles and also different wings.

                                Eagle Orders are, in my opinion, the top and most beautiful items in III Reich collecting. In years to come I hope to have all grades and variations... it´s a long and expensive way but I will try!

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