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    Just found this article, rather interesting:

    Berchtesgaden, Hitler’s notorious hideaway headquarters in the Bavarian Alps, is now being promoted as the ideal vacation get-away for thigh-slapping, local dancing, and yodeling, Israel's Arutz-7 reports. Sixty years after the liberation of Aucshwitz, Berchtesgaden, Hitler’s notorious hideaway headquarters in the Bavarian Alps, is now being promoted as a "cozy" vacation resort hotel.


    In a marketing blitz that appears to have come straight out of the script of "The Producers" - Mel Brooks’ long-running bitter Broadway satire on Hitler and the Nazis - the InterContinental Hotels’ sales pitch for the alpine site proclaims: "Berchtesgaden: It’s not a peak, it’s a treat."

    In the Winter 2005 edition of the hotel chain’s magazine "Highstyle," Berchtesgaden has been repackaged as an idyllic get-away locale for "thigh-slapping, local dancing" and "a particularly fine spot for yodeling." It was once better known for having been the place where Hitler planned out and made many of the key decisions of World War II that resulted in the deaths of 60-70 million people, including six million Jews.

    "Unfortunately, Berchtesdaden holds a more sinister significance," said Dr. Shimon Samuels, director for international liaison for the Wiesenthal Center, the institute dedicated to preserving the memory of the Holocaust. "It was the seat of evil, where Adolf Hitler, Hermann Goering, Joseph Goebbels and the Nazi leadership took most of the decisions that cost the world 70 million lives."

    Incensed over turning the Berchtesgaden complex, where Hitler also had a home away from home, into a vacation spa, Samuels wrote a sharply worded letter to the hotel chain. Samuels wrote, "A decade ago, I visited Berchtesgaden with BBC television and engaged in a debate with the German Institute for Contemporary History in Munich on how to best prevent the banalization committed by your magazine and [instead] ensure that every visitor include in his itinerary the Berchtesgaden Documentation Center and the memorial to the victims of Nazism."

    Samuels expressed revulsion over the hotel magazine’s suggestion for prospective Berchtesgaden vacationers to ‘descend into the bowels of the earth’ in a tour of the nearby Salzbergwerk salt mines. He wrote that the Nazi death camps were "a place in which millions, indeed, descended ‘into the bowels of the earth’ never to return."

    He added, "This dishonors the memory of all the victims of Nazism, offends the survivors and teaches tomorrow’s murderers that scenic beauty can camouflage and efface their atrocities."

    Dr. Rafael Medoff, director of The David S. Wyman Institute of Holocaust Studies, also responded harshly to the possibility of having happy vacationers strolling merrily in the meadows and fields where Adolph and Eva once romped:

    "In the 1930s, the British magazine Homes and Gardens helped whitewash Hitler’s image by running articles glamorizing his country home. The publisher of the magazine, IPC Media, recently acknowledged that historic error and publicly apologized. Now another British magazine has in effect whitewashed Hitler anew, by glamorizing Berchtesgaden again and ignoring its connection to the Nazis. We urge the publisher of Highstyle to follow in the footsteps of IPC Media by apologizing for this grievous wrong and inserting appropriate historical information in its descriptions about Berchtesgaden."

    Berchtesgaden, the vacation resort, is scheduled to open for business in March of 2005


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    Hi Jaime, thanks for posting this here. There are many things to react on. My personal opion is that they shouldn't have to build the hotel, older buildings were demolished, like the Platterhof, which could have been used as hotel. And why should you want to build a hotel on exactly that location, there are many more mountains.
    On the other hand, after 60 years you have to be realistic. Berchtesgaden is a nice town, and surely deserves more than alone the link with Hitler. His house is demolished, but his teahouse survives and attracks many tourists. This link will surely exist for many more years. But would this mean the local bakery can't advert his products by saying 'nice bread from Berchtesgaden', because of this link? We are in the year 2004, the war ended almost 60 years ago. Remembrance is a good thing, but we must not forget the current time and the future.
    I find it also ridicilous that the British magazine Homes and Gardens apoligized for their publication. If they should have to apoligize for every article that was published reflecting the spirit of that time, they could better stop. There was a time the US considered Saddam Hussein as a befriended statesman. Does every paper or magazine now apoligize for the attention they gave him? Or for the adverts of cigarets? Or for the adverts of alcohol?
    We gain new insight every day, what today is right, might be wrong tommorow. That's called learning.

    If they would people to learn from Berchtesgaden, then they should rebuild Hitler's home. His house was nice, and had a fantastic view. How could he love nature and kill people at the same time? People would be amazed that somebody living in such a nice atmosphere, was capable of doing such horrible things. And that is the lesson - Hitler was not an insane person, but human just like us. We all have a dark side, and if we are not careful, that dark side overrules us.

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      #3
      Oh for pete's sake. I don't even know if this merits the effort of a response to those that are suggesting that everything sinister needs to be part of describing a vacation spot or prominantly placed in a vacation brochure. This place was a vacation spot long before the "evildoers" picked it out as their hangout and will continue to be one for as long as people like mountains and gorgeous scenery. If we have to provide a disclaimer on every vacation spot that once had someone evil or people plotting evil things attached to them, it would encompass every vacation spot in the world. Keep in mind that the evil folks went to these spots for the same reason that us normal folks do, they are great vacation spots with great scenery.
      Richard V

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        #4
        Maurice your still in 2004?? How did you manage that!! amazing.

        Matt

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          #5
          Berchtesgaden vs. Obersalzberg...???

          Originally posted by Maurice
          ...Berchtesgaden is a nice town, and surely deserves more than alone the link with Hitler. His house is demolished...they should rebuild his home. ...
          Travel guides say "Berchtesgaden is an old alpine village with ancient winding streets and medieval marketplace and castle square. Since the name of the village has often been linked with the Fuhrer and the Nazi hierarchy, many visitors mistakenly believe they are seeing one of Hitler's favorite haunts. This impression is erroneous. Hitler's playground was actually at Obersalzberg [3,300 feet up], on a wooded plateau about half a mile up the mountain, Berchtesgaden is very much a quiet Bavarian town." And about Hitler's house at Obersalzberg - "The Berghof was destroyed in 1952 by Bavarian government authoities at the request of the U.S. Army - the Americans did not want a monument to Hitler." I visited the Berghof site myself back in 1991 and got my own free unique souvenir brick and such, which I understand is now impossible as the site has been buried? <br><center>OldFlagsWanted.com</center><center><img src=http://members.tripod.com/~oldflagswanted/nzflgwav.gif></center>
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            #6
            I Have Never Been There But I Do Plan Some Time In The Future Of Making A Trip To Europe To See These Sites. What Is Left Of Hitlers Place, Is The Tea House Still There? I Thouhgt They Had Tours Of It And You Could Drink A Beer There If You Wanted. Regards,chris

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              #7
              Originally posted by CLENTER
              I Have Never Been There But I Do Plan Some Time In The Future Of Making A Trip To Europe To See These Sites. What Is Left Of Hitlers Place, Is The Tea House Still There? I Thouhgt They Had Tours Of It And You Could Drink A Beer There If You Wanted. Regards,chris
              Hi Chris,

              What you're talking about is the "Eagle's Nest" (American name) or Kehlsteinhaus, which Bormann had built for Hitler. Hitler only visited it a few times. The tea house that Hitler actually used almost daily was across a valley from the Berghof (Hitler's house), on a hill called the Mooslahnerkopf. See this site for more info on the Obersalzberg today.
              http://www.thirdreichruins.com/gutsh...us.htm#Teehaus

              Although the Bavarian government dynamited the ruins of the Berghof in 1952, until 1995 the site was part of a US Army - controlled recreation area. The original garage used to be exposed but was covered up in 1995. Since the area was turned back over to the Germans in 1995, the local authorities have dumped loads of fill dirt on the site. There used to be lots of original bricks around (see my photo), but I haven't been there in five years and it may be all covered up now.

              Greg
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                #8
                But even if they've piled a bunch of dirt up, I doubt that they have covered up the concrete and brick retaining walls that were just behind the Berghof house.
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                  #9
                  hey guys I whent 2 times to berchtesgaden one time in July 2004 en yesterday
                  http://www.sandeboetiek.com

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by sander vw
                    hey guys I whent 2 times to berchtesgaden one time in July 2004 en yesterday
                    Sander,

                    Tell us (or better yet show us) what the Berghof and other ruins look like now, please!

                    Greg
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                      #11
                      http://www.thirdreichruins.com/

                      Greg,



                      Have a look at this site above. You will find it very interesting!~

                      regards,

                      maurice

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Maurice
                        http://www.thirdreichruins.com/

                        Greg,



                        Have a look at this site above. You will find it very interesting!~

                        regards,

                        maurice
                        I contributd some pics to that site,and visit yearly.Yes those remains you see are that of the garage and are still there. Infact there are always candles there.Dopn't foget to visit the old cemtry in Berchtesgaden,Hitlers sister is buried there and although her grave is untended it is kept weed free by well wishers such as myself and flowers laid.Someone also re gilted the wording on it last year.
                        A lovely area but you needed to visit 5 or 10 years ago,amny of the original buildings have been smashed and all the SS barracks torn out and the underground shooting range etc.

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                          Last edited by Tino; 02-25-2006, 08:19 PM.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Greg Walden
                            Sander,

                            Tell us (or better yet show us) what the Berghof and other ruins look like now, please!

                            Greg
                            the pics are on my dads PC, you will have them to morrow
                            http://www.sandeboetiek.com

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                              #15
                              Berchtesgaden

                              I was there in 2003. The new hotel is being built on the Obersalzberg on the former location of Goering's home not down the hill in Berchtesgaden.

                              Anyone wanting to take an organized trip to the area should consider taking one of the tours put on by Tony Cisneros at Alpventures.com. Tony was a US Army brat who grew up on that hill and used to be the official area tourguide for the US military. His tour includes a few nights at the hotel "Zum Teurken" which is right next to the former location of the Berghof (Hitlers house). Out of all the private buildings that had been seized by Bormann for the Reich, the Zum Teurken is the only building that has been reclaimed by family of the original owners (or is even still standing). The Zum Teurken was used as the barracks for the SD and Hitlers personal guard. The owner, Frau Scharfenberg (she lived there as a little girl before Bormann took the place from her parents), is a gracious host and has opened the tunnels under her home/hotel to the public. She also has a private museum that she does not open to the public but does open to Tony and his guests. One of the many perks Tony gets for only his gests as a result of his connections and knowledge.

                              I had the room on the top floor of the Zum Teurken and basically had the same view off my balcony that Hitler had out of his "big" window.

                              John Klein

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