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    #1

    Help with EK2

    Hello guys,

    I need a little help here.
    I bought this EK from estand. But I'm afraid that is a copy.
    The medal are not in three parts and It's possible see some black painting on the frame. The center appears not be iron. Furthermore the medal has an unusually high weight.

    What do you think?

    I open this thread in agreement with the seller.

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        #4
        That is a 100% original and uncommon one-piece die-struck EK2 made (in my opinion and others') by Otto Schickle. It's not common to find them with such good paint. Here is mine:





        Congratulations on a very nice cross.
        Best regards,
        Streptile

        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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          #5
          I agree with Trevor.
          pseudo-expert

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            #6
            Hi Fernanda.

            If you still want to return it as a copy, feel free.

            Regards
            Stengaard
            (Seller)

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              #7
              Then someone else will want it as it is a nice variation.

              Best regards,
              Michel

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                #8
                Actually it's a very nice looking cross, at first glance. And while I'm not really crazy about the paint job 'spilling over' onto the frame, it still makes for an interesting variation to have in a collection.

                Best,

                Alex

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
                  I agree with Trevor.
                  If I recall it was you who confirmed it was Schickle.

                  Here is a brief synopsis of the evidence I put together, which I plan to rewrite and post in Crosses Forum sometime:

                  Schickle one-pieces
                  Best regards,
                  Streptile

                  Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                    #10
                    I like to say thanks to all of you that answer my question.
                    I never had in my hand an Schickle so I was confused with this cross.

                    Thanks again!
                    Cheers,
                    Fernanda

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                      #11
                      Hold your horses guys! There's a copy of the 'Schickle one piece' floating around. Bought one myself on Ebay, it had poor pics so took a chance. When got it it had obvious modern paint. A acetone test took the paint off with just a few drops, there was actually no paint at all left.

                      Difference with a real one is the stippled surface of core. The copy got more even and smaller "stipples". Modern paint is harder to prove on a "worn" cross but acetone does not remove any period paint at all. "Silver material" of copy is some kind of modern alloy, not sure of which, often shiny and "new looking". Original got silver plated 'Brass alloy' core i hope?

                      My copy weighs 21.25 g, could someone post the weight of the original?

                      Will get some pics to prove my point but it has to wait a while. Please post close up pics of real ones in the meantime.

                      Would like to add that not sure of Fernandas cross, it could well be an original. Hard to tell from pics as the copies are so well made.
                      Last edited by Roglebk; 10-14-2010, 09:11 PM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
                        There's a copy of the 'Schickle one piece' floating around. Bought one myself on Ebay, it had poor pics so took a chance. When got it it had obvious modern paint.
                        Hey Carl,

                        I'd like to see that. What makes you think it wasn't an original with a modern paint-job?

                        Mine, which I believe is original, is 22.3g without ribbon.
                        Attached Files
                        Best regards,
                        Streptile

                        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by streptile View Post
                          Hey Carl,

                          I'd like to see that. What makes you think it wasn't an original with a modern paint-job?

                          Mine, which I believe is original, is 22.3g without ribbon.
                          Paint job looked totally ridiculous, not at all like the 2 '1939 one piece Schickle' i had. Did not look like anyting i saw on a EK so far actually, far too shiny and new despite the "normal" paint chip looses commonly found on those. The 'acetone test' was the proof for me, so far made it on 12-15 different crosses and only 2 did not pass. On this one the paint just ran off, only used a couple of drops of Acetone.

                          Stippled core is different on my copy compared to the -39's.

                          Flanges looks brandished and i actually took a file to one of the edges to see if it was silver plated with Brass alloy base metal. It was not plated, shiny alloy through and through.

                          Measurements of mine: 21.25 g, 3.3mm thick, 43.25mm wide & 46.5mm high incl jumpring.

                          Sellers pics and totally useless really. Stupidly enough did not get any before removing the paint.
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                          Last edited by Roglebk; 10-15-2010, 05:29 AM.

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                            #14
                            Ok Guys,

                            I made the acetone test on this EKII. What that means? I compared with my others EK's but they are from 1939. See the pics below. I have tested the EKII 1914 on the left arm. The others was tested on the right arm. In fact, the painting job of the EKII 1914 almost completely disapeared.

                            EKII 1914 "Schickle":







                            EKII 1939 "65":

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                              #15
                              EKII 1939 in a four place medal bar: (maybe dirty or painting?)



                              EKI 1939 souval frame:



                              so guys, what are your opinion?

                              Cheers,
                              Fernanda

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